Greb vs the great heavyweights

[JAB5239]

I have no idea what you are talking about either. I don't subscribe to the triangular theory, but you must. It is no worthy yardstick at all that Greb gave Tunney a rough time, you triangular theory hound. Does giving Greb a hard time mean he would do the same with Matt Franklin, for instance? I hardly think so. That is how irrelevant the triangular theory is, methinks. I can see it means something to you, though, so I do not want to upset anyone.

I also consider that Greb was very dirty and would have a hard time with today's referees, if one draws from the same body of apocrypha that you boys all seem to rely on in every Greb discussion.

I think you know exactly what I am saying, but choose to deceive that you don't. The triangle theory covers the case where one man gives boxer A trouble because he was troubled by boxer B. Yes, you know exactly what I am saying. If you can't see that analogy you should retire. But you can see it. I know you are pretty smart, so I don't accept your deceptions as valid arguments now. Once you try to deceive me and other letter writers, you are under the microscope where you have me, old boy. Yes, you are a hound for the triangular theory. Why deny that you already used it? When you are called, suddenly you can't see what is being said, though you know everyone can see it. It didn't work. Retire.[/QUOTE]

Rusty, is that you? I think that's you.

Anyway, let me ask you a question. Do you think Greb eould have a hard time with today's lightheavyweight greats? If so, why....outside of the refs and what you perceive of him being g dirty? And if you do think he would have a hard time, do you think Tun ey would as well? Why or why not?

[Slugfester]

I think you know exactly what I am saying, but choose to deceive that you don't. The triangle theory covers the case where one man gives boxer A trouble because he was troubled by boxer B. Yes, you know exactly what I am saying. If you can't see that analogy you should retire. But you can see it. I know you are pretty smart, so I don't accept your deceptions as valid arguments now. Once you try to deceive me and other letter writers, you are under the microscope where you have me, old boy. Yes, you are a hound for the triangular theory. Why deny that you already used it? When you are called, suddenly you can't see what is being said, though you know everyone can see it. It didn't work. Retire.

Rusty, is that you? I think that's you.

Anyway, let me ask you a question. Do you think Greb eould have a hard time with today's lightheavyweight greats? If so, why....outside of the refs and what you perceive of him being g dirty? And if you do think he would have a hard time, do you think Tun ey would as well? Why or why not?[/QUOTE]

Just tell me who Rusty is. And let me untangle your amazing attempt st English. Are you suggesting Tunney wouldn't have a hard time with light havies that came after him, for you seem awfully intent on it. I don't care about today's scrub class.

You tell me first why he fought Chuck Wiggins 9 times. Wiggins was tough, but he wasn't that damned tough. Weren't about 4 times in a row enough for you? Why the five extra fights?

[JAB5239]

Rusty, is that you? I think that's you.

Anyway, let me ask you a question. Do you think Greb eould have a hard time with today's lightheavyweight greats? If so, why....outside of the refs and what you perceive of him being g dirty? And if you do think he would have a hard time, do you think Tun ey would as well? Why or why not?

Just tell me who Rusty is. And let me untangle your amazing attempt st English. Are you suggesting Tunney wouldn't have a hard time with light havies that came after him, for you seem awfully intent on it. I don't care about today's scrub class.

You tell me first why he fought Chuck Wiggins 9 times. Wiggins was tough, but he wasn't that damned tough. Weren't about 4 times in a row enough for you? Why the five extra fights?

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Why are you avoiding the questions?

[Slugfester]

Just tell me who Rusty is. And let me untangle your amazing attempt st English. Are you suggesting Tunney wouldn't have a hard time with light havies that came after him, for you seem awfully intent on it. I don't care about today's scrub class.

You tell me first why he fought Chuck Wiggins 9 times. Wiggins was tough, but he wasn't that damned tough. Weren't about 4 times in a row enough for you? Why the five extra fights?

Why are you avoiding the questions?[/QUOTE]

We didn't answer each other's questions. Be truthful now.

If today means right now, of course not. You picked a scrub era on purpose. Now put him in some earlier eras and he might well have more than trouble. It is not a given that he wold surpass Yaqui Lopez and Galindez, is it? Ahumada? Roy Jones? Monzon? Hagler? A lot of tough guys, if you allow some flexibility of era.

Of course slick boxers may have been his nemesis. Loughran evened out with him I believe. Mike Gibbons beat him, and I don't think that loss was ever avenged. Why not fight Gibbons again, instead of predictable Wiggins 9 times, and two of those encounters back to back? Are you going to answer that with some worn tire like: fighters did that in those days, or at all? Seems Geb was obviously padding his record with a guy he had whipped 8 times already.

I don't believe in Harry Greb the same as his idolaters, like yourself, it seems. Are you a follower of Jesus, by any chance? That requires a lot of faith too, with no proof but the word of others.

[JAB5239]

Why are you avoiding the questions?

We didn't answer each other's questions. Be truthful now.

If today means right now, of course not. You picked a scrub era on purpose. Now put him in some earlier eras and he might well have more than trouble. It is not a given that he wold surpass Yaqui Lopez and Galindez, is it? Ahumada? Roy Jones? Monzon? Hagler? A lot of tough guys, if you allow some flexibility of era.

Of course slick boxers may have been his nemesis. Loughran evened out with him I believe. Mike Gibbons beat him, and I don't think that loss was ever avenged. Why not fight Gibbons again, instead of predictable Wiggins 9 times, and two of those encounters back to back? Are you going to answer that with some worn tire like: fighters did that in those days, or at all? Seems Geb was obviously padding his record with a guy he had whipped 8 times already.

I don't believe in Harry Greb the same as his idolaters, like yourself, it seems. Are you a follower of Jesus, by any chance? That requires a lot of faith too, with no proof but the word of others.
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You can pick any era you want. If you want to make a greb comparison I'd like to hear a Tunney comparison as well. Queenie has avoided this question like he does his AA sponsor after opening his mouth. I just want to hear someone else opinion on that.

And i agree it's not a given....it's not a given any fighter from any era could beat another fighter from a different era.

You would have to understand that Greb fought as often as possible to stay sharp to understand why he fought Wiggins so often. Wiggins was also called by Gene Tunney one of the 3 toughest men he ever faced.

As far as Gibbons goes, Greb fought him twice going 1-1. Why they didn't fight as much as he did Wiggins I have no clue, but it's obvious Greb ducked man.

You dont have to believe anything you dont want to. But history a hundreds of newspaper account, eye witness testimony, trainers and fighters say different. You will have to excuse me if i side with them after doing much of my own research.

[Slugfester]

I guess you think you are an expert around here, Jab. Does anyone else besides you think so? Yes, I answered your questions, Pickles. It is you who didn't answer any of mine. Are you a follower of Jesus? Throw some light on your idol worship.I guess you are ashamed. God, the Holy Spirit and Harry Greb, eh?

[JAB5239]

I guess you think you are an expert around here, Jab. Does anyone else besides you think so? Yes, I answered your questions, Pickles. It is you who didn't answer any of mine. Are you a follower of Jesus? Throw some light on your idol worship.I guess you are ashamed. God, the Holy Spirit and Harry Greb, eh?

Wow, I really must have gotten under your skin during your last incarnation here. You're not even pretending to talk boxing anymore.

[them_apples]

I think you know exactly what I am saying, but choose to deceive that you don't. The triangle theory covers the case where one man gives boxer A trouble because he was troubled by boxer B. Yes, you know exactly what I am saying. If you can't see that analogy you should retire. But you can see it. I know you are pretty smart, so I don't accept your deceptions as valid argument​s now. Once you try to deceive me and other letter writers, you are under the microscope where you have me, old boy. Yes, you are a hound for the triangular theory. Why deny that you already used it? When you are called, suddenly you can't see what is being said, though you know everyone can see it. It didn't work. Retire.

Rusty, is that you? I think that's you.

Anyway, let me ask you a question. Do you think Greb eould have a hard time with today's lightheavyweight greats? If so, why....outside of the refs and what you perceive of him being g dirty? And if you do think he would have a hard time, do you think Tun ey would as well? Why or why not?[/QUOTE]

In my opinion if greb was around today he would be anhilating dudes twice his size. Not many men were cut from the same cloth as Greb, he was a certified gladiator and way too many other good boxers praised him. Tunney was probably one of the smartest boxers ever, adjusting his style to whoever he faces. One of the few “merd† boxers. Kept his nose in books all day.

[Willie Pep 229]

I can't find a KO win over a ranked fighter.

Greb doesn't look to have much **** on his punches.

Here is a description from Boxrec of the Tommy Gibbons fight. No doubt a win over Gibbons is a major win on his resume . . . But

New York Times

"Greb landed "a million punches" and had the upper hand throughout. ... Greb threw a million punches but never hurt Gibbons as he seldom set.."

If he was not willing to set down on his punches agsinst a 170 lb Gibbons why do people believe he could go ten rounds with a legit HW.

I don't see any KOs over top fighters. He actually looks to be a bit feather fisted.

[Bundana]

In my opinion if greb was around today he would be anhilating dudes twice his size. Not many men were cut from the same cloth as Greb, he was a certified gladiator and way too many other good boxers praised him. Tunney was probably one of the smartest boxers ever, adjusting his style to whoever he faces. One of the few ���¢��������merd���¢�������� boxers. Kept his nose in books all day.

Do you think, he would annihilate any of today's top heavyweights?