Greb vs the great heavyweights

[Dr. Z]

Right so you don't have an example because it doesn't exist which is further evidence that the idea of Greb beating these elite ATG Heavyweight's is just ridiculous.

Langford was 190 lbs.. So that's a moot point and the guy's he beat were mostly under 210 lbs.

We are talking about Greb beating the likes of Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston, George Foreman etc, these are 210+ lb, elite Heavyweights who would totally destroy him in a couple of rounds probably. The discussion is ridiculous.

And no I don't admit that he has a good chance with Louis, he actually has next to no chance with Louis.

WRONG. Greb did beat good heavyweights and was denied a shot vs. Dempsey. You just set the bar higher than Dempsey , Sharkey, Tunnney, Scheming, and Louis. 210 you say. We can all see what you are doing.

Langford by the way fought between 170-180 pounds many times beat larger men. Only you think Greb has no chance vs Louis. Boxing people of the times say he did. Who are you to say different?

Of course Greb was too small for Foreman and lacked the range needed to out box Liston.

[IronDanHamza]

WRONG. Greb did beat good heavyweights and was denied a shot vs. Dempsey. You just set the bar higher than Dempsey , Sharkey, Tunnney, Scheming, and Louis. 210 you say. We can all see what you are doing.

Langford by the way fought between 170-180 pounds many times beat larger men. Only you think Greb has no chance vs Louis. Boxing people of the times say he did. Who are you to say different?

Of course Greb was too small for Foreman and lacked the range needed to out box Liston.

You say "of course" but the same people's word you're taking as gospel are saying Greb would beat Ali, Dempsey and Tunney in the same week He lost to Tunney alone multiple times.

Langford at Heavyweight at 180-190 lbs. Greb's highest weight was like 172 or something. Big difference.

We are talking about Greb vs elite Heavyweights, the great heavyweights. Most of them were 210+. There is nothing to suggest he could even be competitive with these men.

[Dr. Z]

You say "of course" but the same people's word you're taking as gospel are saying Greb would beat Ali, Dempsey and Tunney in the same week He lost to Tunney alone multiple times.

Langford at Heavyweight at 180-190 lbs. Greb's highest weight was like 172 or something. Big difference.

We are talking about Greb vs elite Heavyweights, the great heavyweights. Most of them were 210+. There is nothing to suggest he could even be competitive with these men.

But 90% of the top heavyweight is Greb day were under 210! They just were. Are you aware of this? So why are you penalizing him for what was unproven? What I know about boxing is a very speedy and skilled small man can outpoint a larger less skilled men especially if he has the right style and durability as Greb did. I don't to think Greb would beat Ali, but he can give him a fight. Dare I say he could out point a past his prime Ali.

[IronDanHamza]

But 90% of the top heavyweight is Greb day were under 210! They just were. Are you aware of this? So why are you penalizing him for what was unproven? What I know about boxing is a very speedy and skilled small man can outpoint a larger less skilled men especially if he has the right style and durability as Greb did. I don't to think Greb would beat Ali, but he can give him a fight. Dare I say he could out point a past his prime Ali.

So what? I don’t care about that.

The fact is there is not a single example in the history of Boxing of 170 lb man beating a prime, elite heavyweight that’s 210+ lbs.

Yet he we are actually complementing the idea of Greb beating Muhammad Ali.

It’s totally preposterous and based off nothing but illogical concepts.

[Dr. Z]

So what? I don’t care about that.

The fact is there is not a single example in the history of Boxing of 170 lb man beating a prime, elite heavyweight that’s 210+ lbs.

Yet he we are actually complementing the idea of Greb beating Muhammad Ali.

It’s totally preposterous and based off nothing but illogical concepts.

Not a single fighter 170 pounds ever beat a man wight 210 in the history if boxing? Your obviously not familiar with Bob Fitzsimmons! When did a 170 pound man get the opportunity to fight a 210 pounder? List them for me, I could use a laugh.

Ali was in fact knocked down by sub 200 pound men a few times, had trouble with them and barely edged on the them on the cards. He actually lost once to a man under 200 pounds. It is true.

But a 170+ pound Greb could not give him problems? Um okay. I'd pick Ali.

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[IronDanHamza]

Not a single fighter 170 pounds ever beat a man wight 210 in the history if boxing? Your obviously not familiar with Bob Fitzsimmons! When did a 170 pound man get the opportunity to fight a 210 pounder? List them for me, I could use a laugh.

Ali was in fact knocked down by sub 200 pound men a few times, had trouble with them and barely edged on the them on the cards. He actually lost once to a man under 200 pounds. It is true.

But a 170+ pound Greb could not give him problems? Um okay. I'd pick Ali.

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Is that what I said? No it’s not.

I said, when has a 170 lbs man beaten an ELITE HOF calibur Heavyweight? The answer is never.

Okok, let’s just stick what has actually happened and not your fantasy what if’s.

Has Muhammad Ali ever lost to a 170 lb man? Has he ever lost to a sub 200 on man?

Very simple.

[Dr. Z]

Is that what I said? No it’s not.

I said, when has a 170 lbs man beaten an ELITE HOF calibur Heavyweight? The answer is never.

Okok, let’s just stick what has actually happened and not your fantasy what if’s.

Has Muhammad Ali ever lost to a 170 lb man? Has he ever lost to a sub 200 on man?

Very simple.

So Tunney isn't a hall of fame heavyweight? Fitz did it too. You and moving goalpost backward and you do not know the history of the sport

As stated ALI lost to a sub 200 pound man and other sub 200 pound me put him down. Look it up you will learn you are wrong. Simple.

Capiche Dan Hazma?

[IronDanHamza]

So Tunney isn't a hall of fame heavyweight? Fitz did it too. You and moving goalpost backward and you do not know the history of the sport

As stated ALI lost to a sub 200 pound man and other sub 200 pound me put him down. Look it up you will learn you are wrong. Simple.

Capiche Dan Hazma?

Did he fight Tunney at Heavyweight? No. So that’s totally irrelevant.

Remind me, who did Ali lose to who weighed less than 200 lbs?

I didn’t ask about sub 200 lbs anyway. I asked about a 170 lb man. So why you’re harping on “sub 200” I don’t know. I didn’t ask that.


All this “move the goalpost” nonsense you people speak. Where has the goalpost been moved? You’ve made a claim that a 170 on man can beat ATG Hveayeweights like Muhammad Ali. I’ve asked you to name me one 170 man who ever beat an elite HOF calibur heavyweight who was 210+ lbs and you name NO ONE.

Where was the goalpost moved at any point?

[Dr. Z]

Did he fight Tunney at Heavyweight? No. So that’s totally irrelevant.

Remind me, who did Ali lose to who weighed less than 200 lbs?

I didn’t ask about sub 200 lbs anyway. I asked about a 170 lb man. So why you’re harping on “sub 200” I don’t know. I didn’t ask that.


All this “move the goalpost” nonsense you people speak. Where has the goalpost been moved? You’ve made a claim that a 170 on man can beat ATG Hveayeweights like Muhammad Ali. I’ve asked you to name me one 170 man who ever beat an elite HOF calibur heavyweight who was 210+ lbs and you name NO ONE.

Where was the goalpost moved at any point?

Sure, Ali LOST to Leon Spinks who was less than 200 pounds! Admit a mistake! Name the elite heavyweight over 210 lbs that Greb could have fought? Well, l I'm waiting while you move those goalposts..

[shawnkemp804]

Did he fight Tunney at Heavyweight? No. So that’s totally irrelevant.

Remind me, who did Ali lose to who weighed less than 200 lbs?

I didn’t ask about sub 200 lbs anyway. I asked about a 170 lb man. So why you’re harping on “sub 200” I don’t know. I didn’t ask that.


All this “move the goalpost” nonsense you people speak. Where has the goalpost been moved? You’ve made a claim that a 170 on man can beat ATG Hveayeweights like Muhammad Ali. I’ve asked you to name me one 170 man who ever beat an elite HOF calibur heavyweight who was 210+ lbs and you name NO ONE.

Where was the goalpost moved at any point?

Lol don't bother with this guy. No matter what you say he will just make something up to try to justify a 160/170 pound boxer from the 1910's could beat any half way decent 200 plus pound modern heavyweight.

You know what is funny? Even if you tried to compare a 160/170 pound boxer from back in the 1910's/1920's to a modern 160/170 pound fighter you couldn't do it fairly. Boxing skills have evolved light years beyond what the skill level was back doing that time frame.

You know what is even more funny? Tunney started his career at 160 or maybe less. His first 10 bouts of his career don't have official weights. Most of Tunney's career he was less than 180 pounds. When Greb beat him Tunney weighed 174 pounds. So not a modern heavyweight. In fact not even a modern cruiser weight. But because Greb a 160 pound boxer beat Tunney a 174 pound boxer apparently that means Greb could beat 200 plus pound modern heavyweights.

I suggest you block people like this guy. It will make your time on this forum much more enjoyable.