Greb vs the great heavyweights

[QueensburyRules]

- - Maybe the OP could give us his top ten heavyweights of any era that Greb could beat for our amusement?

[JAB5239]

- - Maybe the OP could give us his top ten heavyweights of any era that Greb could beat for our amusement?

You asking for someone else to post ANY list us priceless!!!

I didn't make the claim, I just posted the article. Maybe you could tell us how you think Tunney would fare against modern all time great lightheavies since you have said Greb would have trouble with them? Dont worry, i wont hold my breath waiting.

[Willie Pep 229]

You asking for someone else to post ANY list us priceless!!!

I didn't make the claim, I just posted the article. Maybe you could tell us how you think Tunney would fare against modern all time great lightheavies since you have said Greb would have trouble with them? Dont worry, i wont hold my breath waiting.

Why do you think because Greb beat Tunney (once by decision) in 1922 he could measure up to a 1926 Tunney?

In March of 1925 Tunney gave Greb such a beating that Greb addressed the ringside audience and said "I can't beat this man, I won't fight him again."

Boxrec Newspaper report:

Tunney gave Greb as thorough a beating as he has ever received. So completely was Greb outclassed and outfought in six of the ten rounds that he resorted to a defensive fight after the third and thereafter was guilty of persistent holding and stalling varied only by rare flashes of offensive fighting, which Tunney quickly terminated by a devastating attack.

Trying to point to Greb's single victory over Tunney in 1922 and argue that that win moves Greb into HW competition doesn't hold water. Look at the 1925 Tunney, the one Greb couldn't come close to beating.

Besides lets look closely at Greb's greatest victory, Tunney I.

The Vault SI.com

In the first 10 seconds of the first round Greb broke Gene's nose in two places. Seconds later he opened a long, ugly gash over Gene's left eye, and from then on until the bell ended it in the 15th round Tunney's face was an inch-thick mask of blood. Doctors estimated he may have lost two quarts.

Take away the opening combination and all the advantages that gave Greb, and ask yourself how does Tunney fare in that fight?

Greb was never able to repeat the feat and Tunney kept getting bigger.

Tunney, in the end, didn't just beat Greb several times he dominated him. Greb got one decision over a LHW Tunney in 1922 and maybe doesn't even get that one if he doesn't cut Tunney early.

I am starting to think Greb is quite overrated on this forum.

I'm not saying he ain't great, but I am saying he's a "9" not an unbeatable "10."

Again, I can't find a single Greb KO over a top ranked fighter at any weight. I have come to feel he is feather fisted.

IMO He gets torn apart just like Ketchel did.

I don't think you question is legit. Are you asking about 1922 Tunney (174 lbs) or the 1926 Tunney (190 lbs)?

The latter, the 1925 190 lb Tunney, Greb announced, he no longer want any part of him.

[JAB5239]

Why do you think because Greb beat Tunney (once by decision) in 1922 he could measure up to a 1926 Tunney?

In March of 1925 Tunney gave Greb such a beating that Greb addressed the ringside audience and said "I can't beat this man, I won't fight him again."

Boxrec Newspaper report:

Tunney gave Greb as thorough a beating as he has ever received. So completely was Greb outclassed and outfought in six of the ten rounds that he resorted to a defensive fight after the third and thereafter was guilty of persistent holding and stalling varied only by rare flashes of offensive fighting, which Tunney quickly terminated by a devastating attack.

Trying to point to Greb's single victory over Tunney in 1922 and argue that that win moves Greb into HW competition doesn't hold water. Look at the 1925 Tunney, the one Greb couldn't come close to beating.

Besides lets look closely at Greb's greatest victory, Tunney I.

The Vault SI.com

In the first 10 seconds of the first round Greb broke Gene's nose in two places. Seconds later he opened a long, ugly gash over Gene's left eye, and from then on until the bell ended it in the 15th round Tunney's face was an inch-thick mask of blood. Doctors estimated he may have lost two quarts.

Take away the opening combination and all the advantages that gave Greb, and ask yourself how does Tunney fare in that fight?

Greb was never able to repeat the feat and Tunney kept getting bigger.

Tunney, in the end, didn't just beat Greb several times he dominated him. Greb got one decision over a LHW Tunney in 1922 and maybe doesn't even get that one if he doesn't cut Tunney early.

I am starting to think Greb is quite overrated on this forum.

I'm not saying he ain't great, but I am saying he's a "9" not an unbeatable "10."

Again, I can't find a single Greb KO over a top ranked fighter at any weight. I have come to feel he is feather fisted.

IMO He gets torn apart just like Ketchel did.

I don't think you question is legit. Are you asking about 1922 Tunney (174 lbs) or the 1926 Tunney (190 lbs)?

The latter, the 1925 190 lb Tunney, Greb announced, he no longer want any part of him.

Lol, who said anything about any of this? I'm asking for a comparison on how Queenie feels Tunney would do against today's modern lightheavyweight greats because he said Greb would have trouble enough. If you want to delve more deeply into the Greb-Tunney fights, I'll abide by the official verdicts but newspaper reports having Greb winning 2 losing 2and drawing once. Arguable I'm sure, but it just goes to show how close the series was. I've never said Tunney was not the better lighheavy between the two, only that Greb held his own and more, most of the time, against one of the top 5 greatest lightheavyweights of all time. So I'll ask you...how do you think Tunney does against modern greats?

[Willie Pep 229]

Lol, who said anything about any of this? I'm asking for a comparison on how Queenie feels Tunney would do against today's modern lightheavyweight greats because he said Greb would have trouble enough. If you want to delve more deeply into the Greb-Tunney fights, I'll abide by the official verdicts but newspaper reports having Greb winning 2 losing 2and drawing once. Arguable I'm sure, but it just goes to show how close the series was. I've never said Tunney was not the better lighheavy between the two, only that Greb held his own and more, most of the time, against one of the top 5 greatest lightheavyweights of all time. So I'll ask you...how do you think Tunney does against modern greats?

I lost track of this argument.

Is this about Greb agsinst LHWs or HWs?

I was replying to the theme of the OP, HWs.

RE Bold: Again, which are we talking about LHWs or HWs?

I think almost all the top HWs destroy him. I ask again where is this guy's power, enough to keep a HW off him, recorded in his resume? It's not.

I think at LHW he could rise to a title in any era.

I think a LHW Spinks would have given him trouble, as well as a 175 Charles. I'd bet a Greb-Foster fight would have been exciting.

P.S. I don't see Tunney doing as well as Greb at LHW, from epoch to epoch. Tunney needed to fill out to the pre-war HW range (185-200 pounds) to reach his potential.

In the ring center photo from Greb-Tunney I, Tunney looks too skinny for the weight.

[JAB5239]

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I lost track of this argument.

Is this about Greb agsinst LHWs or HWs?

I was replying to the theme of the OP, HWs.

RE Bold: Again, which are we talking about LHWs or HWs?

I think almost all the top HWs destroy him. I ask again where is this guy's power, enough to keep a HW off him, recorded in his resume? It's not.

I think at LHW he could rise to a title in any era.

I think a LHW Spinks would have given him trouble, as well as a 175 Charles. I'd bet a Greb-Foster fight would have been exciting.

P.S. I don't see Tunney doing as well as Greb at LHW, from epoch to epoch. Tunney needed to fill out to the pre-war HW range (185-200 pounds) to reach his potential.

In the ring center photo from Greb-Tunney I, Tunney looks too skinny for the weight.

I never said Greb would beat ANY great heavyweight, I just posted something I read. Somehow (go figure) Queenie and Slugfester turned this into me claiming Greb would beat all time heavyweights. Queenie than claimed Greb would struggle with modern lightheavyweight greats. Would he, wouldn't he? No one can say with any accuracy. So I asked if he felt Tunney would struggle as well given Greb was the only man to beat him, and who Tunney called his toughest opponent. So......myself, I don't know who does better. Gene was absolutely a great lightheavyweight. Greb showed he could hang with great heavyweights. I think both are top fighters in any era, and outright champions in some.

[JAB5239]

Found this today. Anyone for Greb vs Robinson?


“Whitey Bimstein once told writer James Fair, ‘Harry Greb would have chased Sugar Ray Robinson right out of the ring. How could Ray whip Greb, when guys like Tom Gibbons, Bill Brennan, Joe Cox and Chuck Wiggins couldn’t handle Harry? Robinson was good—easily the best of his time. But Greb was great—the greatest of all time.’
With all due respect to Whitey, I don’t believe the man ever lived—and that includes Greb—who would have chased Robinson right out of the ring. Sugar Ray would have been a hard man to beat in any era. Fast, a tremendous hitter at his best, and possessed of a high order of courage, he had everything it takes to be a consistent winner.

Greb vs Robinson? Well, I’d have to go for Greb. Greb’s unorthodox, windmill style was too much for the master boxers of HIS time. I think it would have been too much for a great boxer of OUR time.”—Harry Cleavelin, 1965

[QueensburyRules]

You asking for someone else to post ANY list us priceless!!!

I didn't make the claim, I just posted the article. Maybe you could tell us how you think Tunney would fare against modern all time great lightheavies since you have said Greb would have trouble with them? Dont worry, i wont hold my breath waiting.

- - Any all time fighter vs another all time fighter in his weight class usually struggles win/lose/draw...duh...mmy

[JAB5239]

- - Any all time fighter vs another all time fighter in his weight class usually struggles win/lose/draw...duh...mmy

Styles make fights, we already know this. It doesn't mean every ATG at any particular weight struggles against another. To say that is just a lazy generalization.

[QueensburyRules]

Styles make fights, we already know this. It doesn't mean every ATG at any particular weight struggles against another. To say that is just a lazy generalization.

- - Hence my language for your minder to translate:

Any all time fighter vs another all time fighter in his weight class usually struggles win/lose/draw...duh...mmy