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  • I think Joe was one of the greatest super MW all time.I do not think though he would have beaten a Roy Jones JR in his prime at 168.Not trying to take anything away from the man i mean he fought the best of his era & defended his super MW belt 21 times & retired undefeated.The greatest super MW all time & yet we almost never hear his name since he retired & i think one of the big reasons for that is he isn't American.
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    • Originally posted by cyril layman View Post
      I think Joe was one of the greatest super MW all time.I do not think though he would have beaten a Roy Jones JR in his prime at 168.Not trying to take anything away from the man i mean he fought the best of his era & defended his super MW belt 21 times & retired undefeated.The greatest super MW all time & yet we almost never hear his name since he retired & i think one of the big reasons for that is he isn't American.
      He's behind Andre Ward in my opinion. Ward fought better comp and moved up to lightheavy and beat the boogeyman.
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      • Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

        Calling his resume incredibly poor, is wrong. A joke. Not replying to who was willing to fight him was weak.

        By the way its FOUR opponent beaten who were ranked in top top five, not three as you claim. So you are wrong. I put then in bold. Simply admit you mistake and move on.


        Chris Eubank UD 12 – (9) – 168 – 01/98

        Robin Reid SD 12 – (7) – 168 – 05/99

        Charles Brewer UD 12 – (5) – 168 – 08/02

        Byron Mitchell TKO 2 – (6) – 168 – 10/03

        Jeff Lacy UD 12* – (3) – 168 – 06/06

        Peter Manfredo TKO 3 – (10) – 168 – 07/07

        Mikkel Kessler UD 12 – (1) – 168 – 02/08

        Bernard Hopkins SD 12* – (C+) – 175 – 07/08

        Roy Jones Jr. UD 12 – (6) – 175 – 01/09​

        - Dr. Z
        Wrong.

        Brewer was coming off a loss and was not in the Top 5.

        That ranking was the end of the year ranking for the year prior BEFORE he lost to Ottke where he then dropped down in the ranking.
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        • Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

          Calling his resume incredibly poor, is wrong. A joke. Not replying to who was willing to fight him was weak.

          By the way its FOUR opponent beaten who were ranked in top top five, not three as you claim. So you are wrong. I put then in bold. Simply admit you mistake and move on.


          Chris Eubank UD 12 – (9) – 168 – 01/98

          Robin Reid SD 12 – (7) – 168 – 05/99

          Charles Brewer UD 12 – (5) – 168 – 08/02

          Byron Mitchell TKO 2 – (6) – 168 – 10/03

          Jeff Lacy UD 12* – (3) – 168 – 06/06

          Peter Manfredo TKO 3 – (10) – 168 – 07/07

          Mikkel Kessler UD 12 – (1) – 168 – 02/08

          Bernard Hopkins SD 12* – (C+) – 175 – 07/08

          Roy Jones Jr. UD 12 – (6) – 175 – 01/09​

          - Dr. Z
          This is a really weak resume for someone who gets so much praise

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          • Originally posted by cyril layman View Post
            I think Joe was one of the greatest super MW all time.I do not think though he would have beaten a Roy Jones JR in his prime at 168.Not trying to take anything away from the man i mean he fought the best of his era & defended his super MW belt 21 times & retired undefeated.The greatest super MW all time & yet we almost never hear his name since he retired & i think one of the big reasons for that is he isn't American.
            I think Ward is the greatest smw of all time. If Canelo beats Benavidez then Canelo moves to number 1
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            • Originally posted by MikeyMike100 View Post

              I think Ward is the greatest smw of all time. If Canelo beats Benavidez then Canelo moves to number 1
              Ward was right up there as well.Canelo no way.Canelo was a great 154 ( jr.MW) but has not fought very many fights at 168 to even be considered in the top 10 super middle weights.Joe fought the best of his era & fought over 90% of his fights at SMW defending his belt a record 21 times he deserves the number 1 spot.
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              • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                He's behind Andre Ward in my opinion. Ward fought better comp and moved up to lightheavy and beat the boogeyman.
                Joe fought & beat some of the best 168 pounders of his era defended the belt 21 times & also moved up to 175 & beat Jones & Hopkins there.This was around the time Hopkins was beating everyone.Ward was good but Joe just did a little more.He also one of only 4 boxers in the history of the sport to retire undefeated.
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                • Originally posted by MikeyMike100 View Post

                  This is a really weak resume for someone who gets so much praise
                  The thing is he doesn't get the praise he deserves.He never hid from anyone beat the best of his era & even moved up to 175 & won the belt there.He is 1/4 boxers to retire undefeated he deserves credit.
                  Last edited by cyril layman; 04-27-2023, 02:25 PM.
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                  • Originally posted by cyril layman View Post

                    The thing is he doesn't get the praise he deserves.He never hit from anyone beat the best of his era & even moved up to 175 & won the belt there.He is 1/4 boxers to retire undefeated he deserves credit.
                    Hilarious. Your braille needs some work.

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                    • Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

                      No, that isn’t how it works you idiot.

                      1997 = the rankings are of DECEMBER 31st 1997. It literally states that.

                      At the time Calzaghe and Eubank fought, Eubank was unranked. Again, objective fact.

                      It seems facts are something this website really struggles with.
                      - - Depends on whether you wear Depends or even need Depends.

                      Today Ring Annual ratings are archaic because they do countless updates during the year. Forever their Annual ratings would be published in the next year, ie Feb-March of 1998 in this case, ie for some 80 years straight before they figured out how ****** that was. You pop in their Ratings team then?

                      Man, I'd say you need Depends at both end as you don't know which end be sitting on your John.

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