Joe Jennette vs. Jack Johnson 1913

[travestyny]

The purse amount was higher than the offers for Johnson. Jeffries gross cut of the action would be in these fights after the promoters and his opponent took their cut is? And look at the jokers that Johnson fought is Ross, and Kaufman. Again how much actually money did Johnson make for O'Brien, Ross, Kaufman, and Moran? You won't supply that. Why??? He backed out of the Langford fight, a signed contract and avoided him and Jeannette for years as champion from 1909-1914. For shame. You ducked this information.

And Johnson tucked tail for a private fight vs. Jeffries. There is little point in me shaming you further until you supply me with the answers for my questions.

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I literally just showed you how much Jeffries got for Munroe. We don't know what he would have got for Johnson because he wouldn't come to the table. I know for a fact it would have been higher than what he got for Munroe because the people wanted that fight more. You won't even address any of this for some reason

No, I won't supply information I don't have. That's for you to do, but you can't/won't. I wonder why.

I didn't duck anything. I made clear that he accepted fights with Jeannette, Langford, and McVey. This has been proven 100%.



All you do is duck. Duck duck duck

A private fight is not what anyone wanted except your ducking idol. I see the similarities.


Sure, we can end this now. I think I've proven my point

[Dr. Z]

I literally just showed you how much Jeffries got for Munroe. We don't know what he would have got for Johnson because he wouldn't come to the table. I know for a fact it would have been higher than what he got for Munroe because the people wanted that fight more. You won't even address any of this for some reason

No, I won't supply information I don't have. That's for you to do, but you can't/won't. I wonder why.

I didn't duck anything. I made clear that he accepted fights with Jeannette, Langford, and McVey. This has been proven 100%.



All you do is duck. Duck duck duck

A private fight is not what anyone wanted except your ducking idol. I see the similarities.


Sure, we can end this now. I think I've proven my point

Duck, duck, duck on my questions. Hart eliminated Johnson from contention in Johnson's 1905 when he fought him. In his auto bio Johnson admitted he lost.

I will post it for your since your will not answer my questions.


Boxing Illustrated re-pritned article.
Dec. 1963 article "The case for and against Marvin Hart" reprinted in the June 1989 issue of Boxing Illustrated:

Johnson, in his autobiography In The Ring And Out says surprisingly little about the fight, and such remarks as he did make are caustic: "The fight was not an au****ious one for me, as Hart got the decision, owing, as Tad, the famous sportswriter says, to the fact that in his excitement the referee pointed to the wrong winner." Later, however, Jack, who never was one to heap accolades on an opponent, did admit: "I don't know of any fighter who was better than me when I was in my prime. But there was one who really beat me... and he beat me good. I'm talking about Marvin Hart."

He did not fight Langford, Jeannette or McVey form 1909- 1915 in others areas of the world and backed out of the fights only when his behavior prevented some of them in certain areas. But what about the other areas? Not even a signed contact was good enough to fight Langford. He shameless back out and was ripped by the promoter

This was several years with or ducking not 1 year!

Again I wish the was a Reno like purse in 1905 for Jeffries in his prime to fight Johnson. He would whip him worse than Hart did.

[travestyny]

Duck, duck, duck on my questions. Hart eliminated Johnson from contention in Johnson's 1905 when he fought him. In his auto bio Johnson admitted he lost.

I will post it for your since your will not answer my questions.


Boxing Illustrated re-pritned article.
Dec. 1963 article "The case for and against Marvin Hart" reprinted in the June 1989 issue of Boxing Illustrated:




He did not fight Langford, Jeannette or McVey form 1909- 1915 in others areas of the world and backed out of the fights only when his behavior prevented some of them in certain areas. But what about the other areas? Not even a signed contact was good enough to fight Langford. He shameless back out and was ripped by the promoter

This was several years with or ducking not 1 year!

Again I wish the was a Reno like purse in 1905 for Jeffries in his prime to fight Johnson. He would whip him worse than Hart did.

Oh, so we are not done???? Then what question am I ducking?

Post your single question and I'll answer. Then I'll post mine and you answer.


Let's go question for question and see who ducks first. I'll even let you go first. Deal? We'll get to the bottom of all of this no doubt! Just don't ask me to do any research for you. You have to do your own. Deal?


But don't think your bullshlt will get anywhere. You were already called out for your lying ways on that other site you frequent. Regarding Johnson saying he lost....

You haven't provided a source, you just said it comes from Johnson himself.BULL ****
It does not come from," In The Ring And Out" because I have that book in front of me. It cannot be found in" Jack Johnson Black Champion",nor ,"Jack Johnson By Himself" ,neither is it in" Papa Jack",or "Unforgiveable Blackness".

For your sake I hope you find that quotaiton in "In the Ring and Out." Because if you can't, I will roast you relentlessly.


But back to the challenge. Let's go question for question. You down or will you tuck tail?

[travestyny]

Duck, duck, duck on my questions. Hart eliminated Johnson from contention in Johnson's 1905 when he fought him. In his auto bio Johnson admitted he lost.

I will post it for your since your will not answer my questions.


Boxing Illustrated re-pritned article.
Dec. 1963 article "The case for and against Marvin Hart" reprinted in the June 1989 issue of Boxing Illustrated:




He did not fight Langford, Jeannette or McVey form 1909- 1915 in others areas of the world and backed out of the fights only when his behavior prevented some of them in certain areas. But what about the other areas? Not even a signed contact was good enough to fight Langford. He shameless back out and was ripped by the promoter

This was several years with or ducking not 1 year!

Again I wish the was a Reno like purse in 1905 for Jeffries in his prime to fight Johnson. He would whip him worse than Hart did.

I just searched through a digital copy of "In the Ring and Out."


That quotation about an admission of a loss was NOT in the book



Why you always lying????

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[travestyny]

Where are you Dr. Z


Come back and admit that what you claim to be in Johnson's autobiography is indeed not in there. Let's see if you are a stand up man or a coward

[Dr. Z]

I just searched through a digital copy of "In the Ring and Out."


That quotation about an admission of a loss was NOT in the book



Why you always lying????

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Where can I gain access to the digital copy to check for myself. Well ...?

[GhostofDempsey]

Duck, duck, duck on my questions. Hart eliminated Johnson from contention in Johnson's 1905 when he fought him. In his auto bio Johnson admitted he lost.

I will post it for your since your will not answer my questions.


Boxing Illustrated re-pritned article.
Dec. 1963 article "The case for and against Marvin Hart" reprinted in the June 1989 issue of Boxing Illustrated:




He did not fight Langford, Jeannette or McVey form 1909- 1915 in others areas of the world and backed out of the fights only when his behavior prevented some of them in certain areas. But what about the other areas? Not even a signed contact was good enough to fight Langford. He shameless back out and was ripped by the promoter

This was several years with or ducking not 1 year!

Again I wish the was a Reno like purse in 1905 for Jeffries in his prime to fight Johnson. He would whip him worse than Hart did.

The first quote from Johnson's book is correct. The second quote appears to have come from another source where he was interviewed, not sure where that would be found. It's interesting though that a boxing magazine posted a Johnson quote that he disputes because it isn't in Johnson's autobiography (which it clearly states in that articles--it says "Later" Jack would admit he was beaten by Hart. Interesting that T-bag will invest all of his faith in anonymous news articles from over 100 years ago, but won't believe an article that was written in 1963 by a reputable boxing periodical.

Also in Johnson's book, was his quote to McKetrick that would never fight any of the black challengers who he already fought while champion. Last paragraph.

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[Willie Pep 229]

The first quote from Johnson's book is correct. The second quote appears to have come from another source where he was interviewed, not sure where that would be found. It's interesting though that a boxing magazine posted a Johnson quote that he disputes because it isn't in Johnson's autobiography (which it clearly states in that articles--it says "Later" Jack would admit he was beaten by Hart. Interesting that T-bag will invest all of his faith in anonymous news articles from over 100 years ago, but won't believe an article that was written in 1963 by a reputable boxing periodical.

Also in Johnson's book, was his quote to McKetrick that would never fight any of the black challengers who he already fought while champion. Last paragraph.

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Is there a citation for the quote at the bottom of page 13, " I won't box any of these colored boys . . ." ?

It is a very powerful statement, a game changer, if the source is good.

[Willie Pep 229]

The first quote from Johnson's book is correct. The second quote appears to have come from another source where he was interviewed, not sure where that would be found. It's interesting though that a boxing magazine posted a Johnson quote that he disputes because it isn't in Johnson's autobiography (which it clearly states in that articles--it says "Later" Jack would admit he was beaten by Hart. Interesting that T-bag will invest all of his faith in anonymous news articles from over 100 years ago, but won't believe an article that was written in 1963 by a reputable boxing periodical.

Also in Johnson's book, was his quote to McKetrick that would never fight any of the black challengers who he already fought while champion. Last paragraph.

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Thank you for posting. Great read.

No doub it is a soft biography prone to hyperbole.

But that makes the one, the only criticism, (the quote,) seem more probable.

[GhostofDempsey]

Is there a citation for the quote at the bottom of page 13, " I won't box any of these colored boys . . ." ?

It is a very powerful statement, a game changer, if the source is good.

Best I can find, it was written by sports journalist Tad Dorgan of the New York Evening Journal. I believe this was written solely for the book in 1927 and not an article.