Was Hopkins An ATG?

[Willow The Wisp]

Who would beat him is only part of the equation of ATG. Throw it in with along with comp, longrvity, consistrncy, and anything else that is relevant.


1 Robinson
2 Hagler
3 Greb
4 Monzon
5 Walker
6 Burley
7 Lamotta
8 Cerdan
9 Fitzsimmons
10 Jones
11 Gibbins
12 Langford
13 Ketchel
14 Hearns
15 Fullmer
16 Bevenuti
17 Valdez
18 Nunn
19 Toney
20 Flowers
21 Hopkins

Hopkins almost makes the top 20 in terms of who beats who on my list. I will factor that in.

Well, of course Hopkins is an all time great. What's it take to be an all-time great around here?

Nice list there IMHO. Lists, no matter how well considered, are always there to be challenged by know-it-alls, from those who know next to nothing to those who nearly DO know it all. Naturally, I class myself in the latter group, and I'd personally drop Nunn and Toney out in favor of any combination of Jack Nonpareil Dempsey, Marcel Thil, Billy Papke, Al (Rudolph) McCoy, Lou Brouillard, Laszlo Papp and Mike O'Dowd. Just me.
And ya, Hopkins would move to the upper middle anyway. Certainly better than Nunn and Toney.

- Know-it-all

[markusmod]

How could you possibly have Nunn, Toney and Valdez above Hopkins at Middleweight?

I have to agree with you. No way do they rank above him. Jones too. Not sure how long Jones even spent there.

[QueensburyRules]

I have to agree with you. No way do they rank above him. Jones too. Not sure how long Jones even spent there.

- - Long enough to whooop Poppy wif one hand before vacating to move up to his storied supermiddle period.

[Incapable]

Yes he was an ATG
. To survive as longAs he did as the middleweight champ, you have to be special to do so.

[Slugfester]

You're answering a question with a demand.

How could you possibly rank those 3 fighters above Hopkins at Middleweight?

None of the 3 are even close to ATG Middleweights.

Neither is Hopkins an all time great. You must differ with me. No problem, most people are going to disagree. If you remove those two guys, he will only make #19 on my list anyway. I suppose he is higher on your list which you are afraid of showing. Don't blubber and bawl, just show your list, flapjack. You mention three, but only list two. What is my other error?

[IronDanHamza]

Neither is Hopkins an all time great. You must differ with me. No problem, most people are going to disagree. If you remove those two guys, he will only make #19 on my list anyway. I suppose he is higher on your list which you are afraid of showing. Don't blubber and bawl, just show your list, flapjack. You mention three, but only list two. What is my other error?

I don't have Hopkins in my Top 10 either or if I were to it would be in the bottom end of it but regardless he's obviously an ATG Middleweight that isn't even a debatable topic.

Whereas Toney, Nunn and Valdez definitely are not.

My list would be something like;

1. Monzon
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Hagler
5. Fitzsimmons
6. Walker
7. Tiger
8. Lamotta
9. Flowers
10. Hopkins

That's off the top of my head.

After that in no order would be guys like

Cerdan
Burley
Steele
Charles

There's no chance in hell the likes of Toney or Nunn for example should be anywhere close to Top 10 MW list.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes he was an ATG
. To survive as longAs he did as the middleweight champ, you have to be special to do so.

- - $1 Special Sissy he was when things weren't going his way.

[The D3vil]

Well, I think you have to count him as an ATG Middlweight based on accomplishments, but do I think 10 guys in history could beat him?

Yeah.

I'm not picking him over Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Monzon, Greb, Robinson, Flowers, Tiger, Jones Jr., Toney, etc. . .

[Willie Pep 229]

By most standards Hoppkins is an ATG.

I personally lost interest in him during the 1st Jones fight. When he realized he couldn't beat Jones, sometime around the 5th round, he chose to shut down his offense and accept the UD loss.

Personally don't think Hopkins all that great.

P.S. When Jones Jr. saw that Hopkins had quit mid-fight he too decided not to press the issue and accept a UD win. I lost interest in him too.

Don't think that much of Toney, Nunn, or Roy Jones Jr.

I have a pretty high stand for great. I could probably name you only six great presidents but that's abouit it.

I would probably tap out at 25 or so ATG fighters. That's about it. You guys give away the moniker too easily.

P.S.S. IMO Hopkins-Jones I was a rip-off I'm still waiting for my money back.

[IronDanHamza]

Well, I think you have to count him as an ATG Middlweight based on accomplishments, but do I think 10 guys in history could beat him?

Yeah.

I'm not picking him over Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Monzon, Greb, Robinson, Flowers, Tiger, Jones Jr., Toney, etc. . .

Hopkins has a chance against a number of those guys in all honesty.

He beats Toney 100 times out of 100 I'm not sure why you've listed him amongst those other greats there.