Fury vs Usyk - Historic Impact??

[QueensburyRules]

AJ is indeed all of those things that you claim. But where is his historic trilogy with another of his era's Heavyweight title claimants? Two losses to a Cruiserweight?

It will take a performance against Franklin as emphatic as Wilder's 1 round slaying of the world's most fearsome living viking in order to rescue Joshua's career, and considerably more winning efforts beyond this to reignite any thoughts among boxing's intelligensia that the thrice exposed Anthony Joshua belongs in the same accomplishment class as Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder.....certainly certain.

- - Rather see AJ fight a trilogy with Fat Andy who was a unified champ who was never stripped of his titles like Blubber Melt was.

Interesting how once Blubber got the MOB backing him, he rediscovered his bravery.

[_Rexy_]

Yea he beat him twice, close. But the problem with a Fury easy win over Usyk leaves us without anticipation for the next big fight.

That's why I believe Josuha has to fight and beat Wilder so we can convince ourselves a Fury-AJ fight is worth the PPV price.

They weren't close fights IMO. But I was responding to the fact that the OP Says that if Usyk lost to Fury he'd be 19 all time, and Joshua would be 11 all time. That doesn't make sense to me.

[Dr. Z]

Wilder is a furad and Fury if he doesn't fight Usyk is a dork who was floored 4 times by that fraud, lost to fat John McDermott and fouled five separate men. If he fights Usyk, I predict Fury will lose or foul out DQ'ing himself. And who is #2? Maybe Joshua.

[max baer]

50 years History of International Heavyweights - Adjustments after April 29.

Assuming an emphatic, decisive Victory.....
(Obviously, any active fighter can rise and fall)

Should Oleksandr Usyk Win:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Joe Frazier
8. Oleksandr Usyk
9. Tyson Fury
10.Evander Holyfield
11.Deontay Wilder
12.Vitali Klitschko
13.Anthony Joshua
14.Ken Norton
15.Rid**** Bowe
16.Jerry Quarry
17.Jimmy Young
18.Ron Lyle
19.Earnie Shavers
20.Tim Witherspoon



Should Tyson Fury Win:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Tyson Fury
6. Mike Tyson
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10.Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry
16.Jimmy Young
17.Ron Lyle
18.Earnie Shavers
19.Oleksandr Usyk
20.Tim Witherspoon

Willow do you rank foreman second really? I'd love for you to expand on that. Ali said in an interview with michael parkinson that joe bugner was a better boxer then foreman!
How do you place foreman so high? Are you basing it on his second career?
I'd love to know why.

[IronDanHamza]

No Sonny Liston?

[IronDanHamza]

Even if Usyk loses to Fury he should be ranked ahead of Joshua lmfao

Interesting.

I assume you rank Montel Griffin above James Toney on your ATG list then?

[The D3vil]

No Sonny Liston?

Or Rocky Marciano?

The only undefeated heavyweight champion ever?

[The D3vil]

I think that there are no all-time great fighters today because guys don't fight high competition quite enough.

You can make the argument that Fury can beat anybody in history based on his size and skill, fine.

But his resume doesn't jibe with making him a top 5 HW of all-time

Beating Deontay Wilder 2 times & a blown up cruiser in Usyk doesn't make you a top 5 HW of all-time.

Now, if he just mowed everybody down in 2 rounds the way Mike Tyson used to, then you, you might have a point, but that's not what it is.

Usyk strugged with Derek Chisora, FFS.

Anthony Joshua lost to Andy Ruiz & then fought scared in the rematch.

Beating Fury doesn't put him ahead of guys who had long reigns as champion or were undisputed in a world with only 1 champion.

They both need long reigns and to prove their worth before we put them in that class.

I'm not the biggest Klitschko guy, but at least he was champ for 10 years and defended the belt 20 times before people put him up there.

[The D3vil]

Interesting.

I assume you rank Montel Griffin above James Toney on your ATG list then?

C'mon man, Usyk is no Montel Griffin.

He's arguably the best fighter on the planet.

[IronDanHamza]

C'mon man, Usyk is no Montel Griffin.

He's arguably the best fighter on the planet.

I'm not saying he is.

I'm using that line of thinking, though.

Surely if the logic here is Usyk beat AJ twice therefore Usyk is ahead of AJ then the same logic should be used for Griffin ahead of Toney.

But that poster _Rexy_ is a coward, thus won't reply.