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**GhostofDempsey** · 01-31-2023, 05:10 PM

When I think overrated, a fighter can still be a good or even great fighter, but perhaps receives too much praise, particularly by casual fans. Insisting Ali is the greatest P4P fighter of all time makes him overrated. Still a great HW, but not nearly the greatest of all time. That was a moniker he bestowed upon himself. Same with Mayweather—clearly not the best ever.

**Willie Pep 229** · 01-31-2023, 06:52 PM

When everyone calls a fighter a "10" and he's really just a "9.8" the term loses its meaning.

Over and under rated are horribly overused terms on this board. Along with . . . "weak era."

**IronDanHamza** · 01-31-2023, 10:03 PM

#1 most overrated fighter in my opinion is James Toney and by who would be “The internet fans”

He seems fairly ranked by actual boxing people, 2nd Ballot Hall Of Fame inductee which I think is fair as I wouldn’t consider him first ballot and he wasn’t voted on the fist ballot. Not usually on ATG lists.

But the internet fans however take it onto a life of its own where Toney is some ATG fighter who never got hit and dominated other great fighters with ease when in reality none of this happened in his career.

You’ll have fantasy fight threads on here where Toney schools, dominates and knocks out the likes of Canelo, Froch, AJ, Deontay Wilder and many others when he did nothing in his career to have any kind of logical basis for those opinions.

**Willie Pep 229** · 01-31-2023, 11:40 PM

Sonetime just being in great fights makes you an ATG with the fans. E.g. Ray Mancini is in the HOF. Who did he ever beat?

**markusmod** · 02-01-2023, 02:19 AM

Social media has made things far, far worse

**Marchegiano** · 02-01-2023, 02:53 AM

Basically everyone who is a favorite is overrated. You never hear Tommy Burns, for example, is my favorite HW. It's always Ali, Louis, Dempsey, etc. Of course they're all greats but no record can hold up to fanboy esteem.

Likewise, Tommy Burns is underrated. Not to say everyone who is no one's greatest or favorite is but most are.

M.Spinks, Jeffries, and Tom Sharkey are the best underrateds imo. I understand these names often grace historian's lists but they hardly get any love from fans.

I also think it's odd to read JJW as an overrated. Who ever praises Jersey? He's usually only a part of Marciano and Louis debates. I would have thought both Jersey and Charles were underrated.

**Willow The Wisp** · 02-01-2023, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

Sonetime just being in great fights makes you an ATG with the fans. E.g. Ray Mancini is in the HOF. Who did he ever beat?

A: A prime time Jose Luis Ramirez, a guy who would later snap the underfeated streaks of Chapo Rosario and Sweet Pea Whitaker.

But ya, Mancini's trip i to the hall way largely fueled by being a huge fan favorite.

**IronDanHamza** · 02-01-2023, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post

A: A prime time Jose Luis Ramirez, a guy who would later snap the underfeated streaks of Chapo Rosario and Sweet Pea Whitaker.

But ya, Mancini's trip i to the hall way largely fueled by being a huge fan favorite.

Clearly lost to Whitaker though, right?

But I’m a big fan of Ramirez he’s a great example of an incredibly underrated fighter.

He beat Arguello in my opinion.

**markusmod** · 02-02-2023, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

He beat Arguello in my opinion.

Agree with you on this.

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