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  • IronDanHamza
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    #41
    Originally posted by Willow The Wisp
    This is an especially odd thread. I was trying to work through the fact the P4P and H2H are contradictory concepts when I glanced at the list. James Toney was never a "great" fighters, nor was Michael Nunn.
    Very true.

    Including Toney and Nunn in a list like this is incredibly odd.

    The way Micheal Nunn gets overrated this day and age as some great fighter when he was a good fighter at best is another odd one.

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      #42
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza

      Cotto beat Mosley 2 years prior to that.

      During that time Cotto got brutalized by Margarito, who then got brutalized by Mosley, making Mosley the #1 in the division.

      The fact he fought Cotto is irrelevant to the point anyway you dumb fuck. The point is, they wouldn't entertain the idea of fighting Mosley at the 147lb limit, reason being he was "too good". To which that changed 2 years later after a lopsided loss and a draw with Mora.
      - - Maybe git thee minder to explain this:

      Mosley briefly #1 at the start of the decade, and end of the decade #2 below Manny who was getting started in the Welters.

      2008

      Title Vacant
      Antonio Margarito
      Miguel Angel Cotto
      Shane Mosley
      Joshua Clottey
      Manny Pacquiao
      Carlos Quintana
      Zab Judah
      Luis Collazo
      Andre Berto
      Isaac Hlatshwayo

      2009
      Title Vacant
      Manny Pacquiao
      Shane Mosley
      Floyd Mayweather Jr.
      Miguel Cotto
      Joshua Clottey
      Antonio Margarito
      Andre Berto
      Luis Collazo
      Rafal Jackiewicz
      Jan Zaveck​

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        #43
        Originally posted by QueensburyRules

        - - Maybe git thee minder to explain this:

        Mosley briefly #1 at the start of the decade, and end of the decade #2 below Manny who was getting started in the Welters.

        2008

        Title Vacant
        Antonio Margarito
        Miguel Angel Cotto
        Shane Mosley
        Joshua Clottey
        Manny Pacquiao
        Carlos Quintana
        Zab Judah
        Luis Collazo
        Andre Berto
        Isaac Hlatshwayo

        2009
        Title Vacant
        Manny Pacquiao
        Shane Mosley
        Floyd Mayweather Jr.
        Miguel Cotto
        Joshua Clottey
        Antonio Margarito
        Andre Berto
        Luis Collazo
        Rafal Jackiewicz
        Jan Zaveck​
        Ok and your point is what? Are you retarded or something?

        How does any of what you posted change the fact that when Mosley met with Freddie Roach to discuss the Pacquaio fight when they refused to fight him at the 147 lb limit, Mosley was the #1 WW in the world at the time?

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          #44
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza

          Ok and your point is what? Are you retarded or something?

          How does any of what you posted change the fact that when Mosley met with Freddie Roach to discuss the Pacquaio fight when they refused to fight him at the 147 lb limit, Mosley was the #1 WW in the world at the time?
          - - BALCO Shane weren't #1, and your movable goalposts are so ******ed not even you understand how ****** they be...

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            #45
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules

            - - BALCO Shane weren't #1, and your movable goalposts are so ******ed not even you understand how ****** they be...
            Erm, yes he was #1 at WW. That’s a fact.

            When he met up with Roach at the Wildcard in 2009 he was the #1 ranked WW in the world.

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              #46
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza

              Erm, yes he was #1 at WW. That’s a fact.

              When he met up with Roach at the Wildcard in 2009 he was the #1 ranked WW in the world.
              - - Annual Ring Ratings say he weren't.

              U say he weren't at Freddie gym in 2009 until moving your goal posts. A poot on a shovel all your word worth.

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                #47
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                - - Annual Ring Ratings say he weren't.

                U say he weren't at Freddie gym in 2009 until moving your goal posts. A poot on a shovel all your word worth.
                Those are the end of year rankings you’re citing you idiot.

                I have not moved the goalpost a single time either you clown.

                Mosley beat Margarito in January of 2009, at that point he was ranked #1 at WW.

                He went to the Wild card in June/July of 2009 to discuss a fight with Pacquaio, when again, Mosley was #1 at WW when Freddie Roach said they won’t fight him at the 147 limit because he’s too good.

                Then after Pacquaio beat Cotto, the elevated Pacquaio at #1 at WW which is what you’re reading there from their “End of year” rankings.

                So which part aren’t you understanding, you fucking retard?

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                  Those are the end of year rankings youâre citing you idiot.

                  I have not moved the goalpost a single time either you clown.

                  Mosley beat Margarito in January of 2009, at that point he was ranked #1 at WW.

                  He went to the Wild card in June/July of 2009 to discuss a fight with Pacquaio, when again, Mosley was #1 at WW when Freddie Roach said they wonât fight him at the 147 limit because heâs too good.

                  Then after Pacquaio beat Cotto, the elevated Pacquaio at #1 at WW which is what youâre reading there from their âEnd of yearâ rankings.

                  So which part arenât you understanding, you fucking retard?
                  I understand your point regarding yearly rankings, they come out in spring of the following year. There are even champions who never get their due.

                  ​E.g. Douglas is never ranked at the top of the HWs, it jumps from Tyson (89) to Holyfield (90).

                  Bu if was Mosely was there why would PAC Man take over the number # 1 slot with a win over Cotto?

                  Surely something more must have happened during the interim?

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

                    I understand your point regarding yearly rankings, they come out in spring of the following year. There are even champions who never get their due.

                    ​E.g. Douglas is never ranked at the top of the HWs, it jumps from Tyson (89) to Holyfield (90).

                    Bu if was Mosely was there why would PAC Man take over the number # 1 slot with a win over Cotto?

                    Surely something more must have happened during the interim?
                    Nothing happened.

                    Mosley was struggling to get a fight, ending up signing to fight Andre Berto for January of 2010 which fell through due to the Earthqauke in Haiti.

                    Then Pacquaio performance against Cotto I guess The Ring deemed good enough to place him #1, with Mosley now #2.

                    From Jan 2009-November 2009, Mosley was #1.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                      Nothing happened.

                      Mosley was struggling to get a fight, ending up signing to fight Andre Berto for January of 2010 which fell through due to the Earthqauke in Haiti.

                      Then Pacquaio performance against Cotto I guess The Ring deemed good enough to place him #1, with Mosley now #2.

                      From Jan 2009-November 2009, Mosley was #1.
                      I don't like the way that sounds!

                      Why does money jump to mind?

                      Wonder which scantioning body PAC was connected with, and which Mosely?

                      The Ring Magazine! Um?

                      P.S. I guess there is an inactivity argument that can be made. But this seems a touch quick.
                      Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 01-26-2023, 05:11 PM.

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