Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[mrbig1]

Vitali fought as many good fighters as Larry Holmes which isn't saying much.

[Dr. Z]

Louis
Ali
Tyson
Patterson
Wlad
Holmes
Lewis
Holyfield
Foreman
Charles
Marciano
Sharkey

There are 12 fighters who beat more Ring rated fighters than Vits. Prove me wrong!!

Okay, now comes the time where you prove your work. We will start with Jack Shrakey. Name the ring magazine ranked contenders when Jack Shakrey fought them. Who did he fight and beat?

We see if Vitali measures up to the best 12 names you come up with. Remember only heavyweight fights count!

[JAB5239]

Okay, now comes the time where you prove your work. We will start with Jack Shrakey. Name the ring magazine ranked contenders when Jack Shakrey fought them. Who did he fight and beat?

We see if Vitali measures up to the best 12 names you come up with. Remember only heavyweight fights count!

You said I couldn't name 10 fighters, I gave you 12. Stop asking for everyone else to do the legwork. There is a reason the IBRO only ranks him 19th all time. Figure it out.

[Ivich]

You said I couldn't name 10 fighters, I gave you 12. Stop asking for everyone else to do the legwork. There is a reason the IBRO only ranks him 19th all time. Figure it out.

Jack Shrakey ? Jack Shakrey? Third time lucky? lol

Prove your work?

[Ivich]

Vitali fought as many good fighters as Larry Holmes which isn't saying much.

Holmes fought 19 Ring ranked opponents.Including 5 men who were world's heavyweight champion.

[Ivich]

Okay, now comes the time where you prove your work. We will start with Jack Shrakey. Name the ring magazine ranked contenders when Jack Shakrey fought them. Who did he fight and beat?

We see if Vitali measures up to the best 12 names you come up with. Remember only heavyweight fights count!

Schmeling
Carnera
Stribling
Maloney
Maloney
Delaney
Wills
Renault
Godfrey
Gorman
10 Wins

[Willow The Wisp]

Okay, now comes the time where you prove your work. We will start with Jack Shrakey. Name the ring magazine ranked contenders when Jack Shakrey fought them. Who did he fight and beat?

We see if Vitali measures up to the best 12 names you come up with. Remember only heavyweight fights count!

Z, with respect and admiration, the dialog has moved beyond the point where we can hold up pointing to The Ring ratings inclusion as gospel. I alluded to why, to their history of pushing prospects up higher than they soon proved to belong, and I provided a list of obvious examples. I was and for those still living remain friends with Ring staffers and freelancers, and this is first hand musings. If you won't ignore my posts I won't ignore yours my friend. Vitali's management went after glossy records and higher than deserved rated opponents, and here we are looking back 15 years, lurching about in the dark falling for it hook, line and sinker.

[JAB5239]

Z, with respect and admiration, the dialog has moved beyond the point where we can hold up pointing to The Ring ratings inclusion as gospel. I alluded to why, to their history of pushing prospects up higher than they soon proved to belong, and I provided a list of obvious examples. I was and for those still living remain friends with Ring staffers and freelancers, and this is first hand musings. If you won't ignore my posts I won't ignore yours my friend. Vitali's management went after glossy records and higher than deserved rated opponents, and here we are looking back 15 years, lurching about in the dark falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I've been saying this for years if not so eloquently. Glossy records don't always indicate the level of fighter being fought. If they did Lamar Clark would be an incredible win on any fighters resume.

[Dr. Z]

You said I couldn't name 10 fighters, I gave you 12. Stop asking for everyone else to do the legwork. There is a reason the IBRO only ranks him 19th all time. Figure it out.

Shown me 10 heavyweights with more wins vs. ranked ring magazine wins when they fought them. It's a simple question. All you did was come up with 12 names, many of whom are smaller men, cruiser weights today that would have little chance vs.Vitaly Klitschko. Anyone can do that! Are you opting out of this challenge already? Look like you are.

[JAB5239]

Shown me 10 heavyweights with more wins vs. ranked ring magazine wins when they fought them. It's a simple question. All you did was come up with 12 names, many of whom are smaller men, cruiser weights today that would have little chance vs.Vitaly Klitschko. Anyone can do that! Are you opting out of this challenge already? Look like you are.

I just gave you the names. Prove me wrong. And it doesn't matter if they're smaller men, they were still heavyweights. Doesn't matter what division they may or may not be in today. You're already trying to move the goalposts back again. This seems to be your MO when someone disagrees with you.