Why do people still put Joe Louis as the best HW with his outdated and poor mechanics?

[Willow The Wisp]

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So, nobody who can compare eras by studying the films like an unguided tour is willing to start putting their powers of observation into a provable test, by picking Ajagba vs. Shaw tonight?????? Why not???
Should be nothing for you, right?

If you're going to go against all the generations of experts, writers, historians and trainers with you boxing evolution ideas, here's an easy way to move beyond original thinking blather and show off your keen and unique abilities to convert what you see on film into an understanding of mechanical intricacy. Bring that stuff!

[cfang]

Louis's style was designed to get into range to let his combos go and it was incredibly effective. He hmde 26 defences and without the war, how many then 35? 40? If he was around today he'd be champ. He was one of the greatest fighters of all time and most likely the greatest heavy too.

[them_apples]

Like YouTube? Then lets start there.....
Start to finish boys, no early bailing out.
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So, nobody who can compare eras by studying the films like an unguided tour is willing to start putting their powers of observation into a provable test, by picking Ajagba vs. Shaw tonight?????? Why not???
Should be nothing for you, right?

If you're going to go against all the generations of experts, writers, historians and trainers with you boxing evolution ideas, here's an easy way to move beyond original thinking blather and show off your keen and unique abilities to convert what you see on film into an understanding of mechanical intricacy. Bring that stuff!

honestly, I don't think people even watch very closely - they see a big black and grey image and sum it up as a simple thought. You have to enjoy this stuff to really pay attention, which I am sure you do. Many of the opinions spouted here are straight up invalid, in the sense the opinions are based off of almost nothing but poor quality footage and generalizations.

[Dr. Z]

I could poke holes in this entire post, as it is not true.

Go for it. No you can not.

Agreed. Joe Louis low guard, limed or no head movement, and slow and predictable shuffling feet spelled trouble and defeat in his times v. the best boxers he faced and they had less weight and height and reach than he did. Hmmmm.... He could be clinched and man handled too.

I don't judge a man out of his era, but theses flaws are there and can be seen on film.

[Willie Pep 229]

Boxing is a very very different style development timeline than all modern team sports are. The comparison doesn't work. We've been over this before.

No, it doesn't change the rules of history.

While the changes in the NFL are more dramatic, no doubt, what are you going to do: evaluate each sport and then decide which can, and which can not be compared? E.g. basketball, hockey, tennis, golf, baseball, soccer, track, Etc.

What could you posdibly do except have an opinion?

Nothing more than a line in the sand, based on your opinion.

You don't get to trump the rules of historical study.

These posts are Fantasy Fights, not history.

P.S. Besides how many times am I suspose to listen to these child like bate posts and stay quiet. Personally I think you should stop giving this nonsense credibility by replying to it.

RE BOLDFACE: OK, so it looks like we got it wrong.

[Pugilist89]

You guys might be asking why I'm not ****ting on Marcianos body mechanics.. . One word: strategy.

Marciano used volume punches as a shell for his crouching, in your face stance, so it actually worked in his favor. His head movement was generally better too.

Marciano did have moments of sloppyness like everyone else, but generally speaking, he deviced a clever strategy

[QueensburyRules]

Louis's style was designed to get into range to let his combos go and it was incredibly effective. He hmde 26 defences and without the war, how many then 35? 40? If he was around today he'd be champ. He was one of the greatest fighters of all time and most likely the greatest heavy too.

- - Joe didn't waste energy with the superfluous either. 70 years since his retirement and only a single heavy has come close to touching his title defences and title KOs, but shhhhh...mum's the word!!!

[Willow The Wisp]

Louis's style was designed to get into range to let his combos go and it was incredibly effective. He hmde 26 defences and without the war, how many then 35? 40? If he was around today he'd be champ. He was one of the greatest fighters of all time and most likely the greatest heavy too.

Yup. That's the truth.

[Pugilist89]

Yup. That's the truth.

Ezzard Charles just blasted hooks to that awkward head position and did what the past generation failed to realise. Btw, Liston had a similiar habit of putting his head in no mans land... Especially when under pressure. So louis was definitely influencal.

Sugar Ray Robinsons mechanics aged much better by comparison.

[them_apples]

Go for it. No you can not.

alright here it goes, poking holes in the entire post:

Low guard: You mean a proper guard, the shoulders are completely relaxed meaning they will have to sit lower, and Louis has to tuck his chin down behind it. Raising your hands up higher is not a very good stance as the shoulders are tight and this won't allow you to punch very hard. I don't know a single fighter who fights in a "high guard" that punches hard, because it isn't really possible. His arms are also aligned on his centerline for maximum leverage. Shots coming at you straight are much faster, he parrys those with his right which is already placed there, angling his body allows his hands to remains close to the centerline while not interfering with eachother. To throw a proper cross you need a good angle, as the arm can't naturally be thrown straight squared up, or it will come off as a jab from the rear hand. As long as he keeps this angle and jabs there almost nothing that can really hit him.

Ray Robinson fights in a very similar stance. its the smartest and most polish stance out there for boxing, but it's mostly lost.

In later Years Ali showed it to Roy Jones and Jones was surprised how just a change in stance closed many gaps in his defense. Ali was able to walk forward (shuffling with parkinsons) and give Jones hardly any options. (interview in the Ali movie, with will Smith I believe)

You parry/slip straights and you duck and roll hooks. Elbows tucked in close to his body.

Slow Shuffling feet: he pivots on the back foot and steps in the direction his opponent is going. constantly keeps the same angle facing his oponent. Earnie Shavers shows smitty in his video on youtube how it works. Foreman Cut the fleet footed Ali off in the ring with this method. Ali said word for word "For every 3 steps I took, George took 1, I had to lay on the ropes". he also said Foreman was trained well.

no head movement and predictable? This isn't even true. I just posted a video today, in HD of Louis. He has great head movement and nothing he does is predictable. He probably telegraphs the least out of any heavyweight champion ever.

To sum it up, efficiency.

Before you respond please make sure you have read and understand my post. if you respond without understanding it then there isn't much point in this debate. please explain to me better stances and explain why you deem them better? make sure they are contemporary stances


Also please explain "good head-movement". What do you deem good headmovement? Someone who constantly bobs their head in a rythm so you can visibly see it? or someone who cleverly baits with his head and uses it to draw in punches and make them miss to create openings?