How in the world did one judge have Leonard-Hagler 118-110 for Leonard?

[4truth]

Because some boxing judges missed their calling as judges for Dancing With the Stars

[Willie Pep 229]

Yeah, that was a bad car.

Leonard was the A-Side,while Hagler was not liked by a lot of the boxing establishment.

Do you know what it was about Hagler that made him unpopular with the boxing establishment? **

I did all the boxing rags back in the 1980s, Ring, KO, BI, but don't remember the writers being down on him.

I assumed he was respected. Certainly a 'fighter's fighter,' so I thought.

** Do you mean, other fighters, commissions, or scantioning bodies?

[QueensburyRules]

Do you know what it was about Hagler that made him unpopular with the boxing establishment? **

I did all the boxing rags back in the 1980s, Ring, KO, BI, but don't remember the writers being down on him.

I assumed he was respected. Certainly a 'fighter's fighter,' so I thought.

** Do you mean, other fighters, commissions, or scantioning bodies?

- - Marv highly respected, but never a nice, radiant, heart throb like Leonard.

Leonard expectations low going in after years of retirement, but nobody at the time realized Leonard had been training privately for a year just for this fight. He exceeded expectations to win an unpopular split decision with no rematch as he went into immediate retirement. Hence he lost me and many other fans forever.

[mrbig1]

Ali vs Frazier 1 a judge scored it 11-4 for Frazier. Zach Clayton gave the fight to Palomino over Benitez. I score the fight 11 for Benitez. This has been done again and again.

[DeeMoney]

Adalaide Byrd anyone? Very similar....

Canelo, like Leonard, was the media darling, and definitely one the judge would favor
GGG, like Hagler, was expected to defeat his opponent; so when it was close he is downgraded relatively speaking. They judged both G and Hagler against expectations as opposed to what happened in the ring.

[kara]

Adalaide Byrd anyone? Very similar....

Canelo, like Leonard, was the media darling, and definitely one the judge would favor
GGG, like Hagler, was expected to defeat his opponent; so when it was close he is downgraded relatively speaking. They judged both G and Hagler against expectations as opposed to what happened in the ring.

Casamayor vs. Santa Cruz was pretty bad

[QueensburyRules]

Adalaide Byrd anyone? Very similar....

Canelo, like Leonard, was the media darling, and definitely one the judge would favor
GGG, like Hagler, was expected to defeat his opponent; so when it was close he is downgraded relatively speaking. They judged both G and Hagler against expectations as opposed to what happened in the ring.

- - Grave disservice to memory...R.I.P...

l'l floydy in the middle of his TBA hometown venue of MGM floydy with his own drugtesting, commish, refs, and judges to select from where he spent the latter half of his career was the media darling, not Canelo who was only a hit in Mexico at the time, a 23 yr old kid being weight drained at a catchweight where he was blue on the scales.

Need I remind anyone of the vicious racial comments about Canelo then, and even now at the peak of his prime and new found popularity?

When Canelo first fought Golovkin, dunno recall the odds other than they were close favoring Golovkin whom l'l floydy ducked in spite of a 154.5 lb catchweight offered for Golovkin's middle titles. Canelo fought a defensive, reverse movement counter punching style while walking Golovkin into hard counters all night. Had l'l floydy been transposed on Canelo in the ring, he pitches a wide shutout.

The official Draw a good result in a close fight that guaranteed a rematch where Canelo swapped styles to take ring center to knock Golovkin backwards anytime he entered for the first 9 rounds. Last three rounds Canelo replicated the first fight and took an unpopular decision that was stylistically definitive no matter fans' unstudied opinions.

[Mikeh333]

- - Marv highly respected, but never a nice, radiant, heart throb like Leonard.

Leonard expectations low going in after years of retirement, but nobody at the time realized Leonard had been training privately for a year just for this fight. He exceeded expectations to win an unpopular split decision with no rematch as he went into immediate retirement. Hence he lost me and many other fans forever.

This is a good point. Hagler was not as prominent, nor as wealthy as Leonard. He fought for peanuts for most of his career, and people didn’t recognize how great he was until the very end. He also lived and trained in Brockton, Massachusetts, and I can’t imagine living in a dump like that in the 70s and 80s. Leonard was simply more handsome, a better communicator, marketed himself exceptionally well, and came across as a generally nice person, which I’m sure he is.

All Hagler did was win fights with a cast iron chin and a tricky style that was almost impossible for opponents to counter. The Leonard-Hagler fight could have gone either way, and I understand any fight fan’s resentment at Leonard’s immediate “retirement.”

I always respected Hagler for walking away from boxing the way that he did, with his health intact, moving to a new country and becoming an actor. Hagler struck me as an extremely intelligent, disciplined, confident man. He stayed in the same weight class his entire career, an extraordinary feat of self-denial, as losing weight gets harder for men as they get older. To the best of my knowledge, he had no drug problems or other sordid scandals in his life, which a lot of athletes do.

[The D3vil]

Do you know what it was about Hagler that made him unpopular with the boxing establishment? **

I did all the boxing rags back in the 1980s, Ring, KO, BI, but don't remember the writers being down on him.

I assumed he was respected. Certainly a 'fighter's fighter,' so I thought.

** Do you mean, other fighters, commissions, or scantioning bodies?

Hagler was respected, but not liked.

He was very serious, kind of surly individual.

He got some really bad cards early in his career, so he had a chip on his shoulder to the very end.

He went over to England and got racially abused by the crowd against Minter and had a chip on his shoulder about that.

The announcers wouldn't call him "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler, so he changed his name, legally, to Marvelous Marvin Hagler, so they'd have to call him that and he had a chip on his shoulder about that.

He was sort of the anti-Leonard, who was the Olympic hero, smiling, and handsome.

Hagler was seen as the scowling villain, almost a Sonny Liston type, without the mafia connects.

Looking back, he was just about his business and loyal as hell to the Petronelli Bros., but at the time, he was disliked by a lot of folks because he wasn't happy like Sugar Ray.

[Anthony342]

Hagler was respected, but not liked.

He was very serious, kind of surly individual.

He got some really bad cards early in his career, so he had a chip on his shoulder to the very end.

He went over to England and got racially abused by the crowd against Minter and had a chip on his shoulder about that.

The announcers wouldn't call him "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler, so he changed his name, legally, to Marvelous Marvin Hagler, so they'd have to call him that and he had a chip on his shoulder about that.

He was sort of the anti-Leonard, who was the Olympic hero, smiling, and handsome.

Hagler was seen as the scowling villain, almost a Sonny Liston type, without the mafia connects.

Looking back, he was just about his business and loyal as hell to the Petronelli Bros., but at the time, he was disliked by a lot of folks because he wasn't happy like Sugar Ray.

Yeah well when you're always getting screwed over by the establishment, you're bound to be unhappy. The judges tend to be morons a lot of the time. Case in point, the judge that scored 118-110 for Leonard. And the judges that gave the first middleweight title fight for Hagler a draw. A guy tends not to be happy and smiling after that first title fight. Hell, when he finally won the title, he had bottles of beer thrown at him and had to be awarded the title belt later. That's why all but 1 of Hagler's title defenses were by stoppage. He knew the judges wouldn't give him a fair shake. So if they don't like him, why would he like them? Good points in your post though. That's why it's too bad Leonard was injured and their fight didn't happen sooner.