How in the world did one judge have Leonard-Hagler 118-110 for Leonard?

[Mikeh333]

Jose Juan Guerra. How in the world did that happen? Was it fixed?

[QueensburyRules]

Jose Juan Guerra. How in the world did that happen? Was it fixed?

- - Obviously Juan be gone liked the hard ferocious Mexican style of Sugar...

[markusmod]

Jose Juan Guerra. How in the world did that happen? Was it fixed?

Probably the same way one judge had Mayweather-Canelo a draw. Incompetence.

[QueensburyRules]

Probably the same way one judge had Mayweather-Canelo a draw. Incompetence.

- - l'l floydy had two MDs in a row while ducking his most lucrative fight, the Canelo rematch without 152 weight drain. Clearly he was winding down his career as he showed vs wheezing Berto and debutante McG who whacked l'l floydy with 111 punches, count em!

[Mikeh333]

- - l'l floydy had two MDs in a row while ducking his most lucrative fight, the Canelo rematch without 152 weight drain. Clearly he was winding down his career as he showed vs wheezing Berto and debutante McG who whacked l'l floydy with 111 punches, count em!

Why does every thread have to be a knock Mayweather thread? This topic has nothing to do with him.

[DeeMoney]

I hesitate to write fixed, I think there were a few factors that play into this:

- A-sides, or the more media friendly fighter tends to get nods, people know where their bread is buttered (judges too) and they will default to it as such.
- Some judges also score activity more than action, Leonard threw flurries, they looked good though may not have always done damage.
- At times, judges can have bad memories; a big punch in the first minute SHOULD be as good as one in the last seconds. Unfortunately, some judges can't score a full round, and just remember the last thing that happened. Leonard put on flurries at the end of the rounds.
- Leonard did better than expected, and lots of times judges score things relatively. Hagler was supposed to dominate, since he didn't people assumed that Leonard was winning. This is wrong, you don't evaluate relative to expectations, or at least shouldn't. Sadly, a lot of times you come across this, 'so-&-so didn't knockout his opponent like you thought so he shouldn't get the decision'.

You see these types of things all the time, they just happened to come together for this specific judge on this night. I don't think a fix as much as bad scoring, unfortunately his was one of the scores that counted.

[Mikeh333]

I hesitate to write fixed, I think there were a few factors that play into this:

- A-sides, or the more media friendly fighter tends to get nods, people know where their bread is buttered (judges too) and they will default to it as such.
- Some judges also score activity more than action, Leonard threw flurries, they looked good though may not have always done damage.
- At times, judges can have bad memories; a big punch in the first minute SHOULD be as good as one in the last seconds. Unfortunately, some judges can't score a full round, and just remember the last thing that happened. Leonard put on flurries at the end of the rounds.
- Leonard did better than expected, and lots of times judges score things relatively. Hagler was supposed to dominate, since he didn't people assumed that Leonard was winning. This is wrong, you don't evaluate relative to expectations, or at least shouldn't. Sadly, a lot of times you come across this, 'so-&-so didn't knockout his opponent like you thought so he shouldn't get the decision'.

You see these types of things all the time, they just happened to come together for this specific judge on this night. I don't think a fix as much as bad scoring, unfortunately his was one of the scores that counted.

Those are really good thoughts. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

[markusmod]

Why does every thread have to be a knock Mayweather thread? This topic has nothing to do with him.

Mike has a point here.

[Willie Pep 229]

Why does every thread have to be a knock Mayweather thread? This topic has nothing to do with him.

Because people dislike him that much.

[The D3vil]

Yeah, that was a bad car.

Leonard was the A-Side,while Hagler was not liked by a lot of the boxing establishment.