Where does Deontay Wilder stack up against the early 80's HW scene?

[JAB5239]

Getting back on topic. Wilder may knock them all out. That's not because he's great. It's because they suck. one of the worse eras in HW history.

There was a ton of talent in that era, it was just wasted on ******* and booze. Many very good fighters but besides Holmes none could stay on a roll for various reasons.

[QueensburyRules]

You sound scared. I'll tell you what...if you think it's a dodgy decision or stoppage we'll put a poll up asking if either fighter was wrongfully robbed. If the poll is in favor of AJ being robbed, I'll pay up. But I seriously doubt it goes to decision. "What's your excuse gonna be tonight Roy?"

- - What dodgy decision coming up? Feeling extra dolt today?

[JAB5239]

- - What dodgy decision coming up? Feeling extra dolt today?

No, I'm feeling extra confident. Put your money where your mouth is, tough guy!

[Willie Pep 229]

You sound scared. I'll tell you what...if you think it's a dodgy decision or stoppage we'll put a poll up asking if either fighter was wrongfully robbed. If the poll is in favor of AJ being robbed, I'll pay up. But I seriously doubt it goes to decision. "What's your excuse gonna be tonight Roy?"

Just make the bet contingent on a stoppage. No stoppage? It's a push, everyone keeps their money. Besides who care what judges think, judges are SB stooges. I wouldn't risk my money on a Vegas decision, wouldn't trust the Brits either.

You are are both saying the other guy's guy is a bum anyway. So if somebody is right somebody should be going down.

Both have shown us they can be stopped.

[kara]

Wilder was coming off the Fury fight when AJ crossed the Pont. He fought Breazeale to keep busy and than rematched Ortiz who at the time was seen as a much more dangerous fight than Andy Ruiz, who incidentally stopped AJ. Wilder would have crucified him. Joshua has been thanking God every day since.

Also AJ got knocked out by Ruiz, so that fight with Wilder would have never happened that year. And then we had COVID.

[QueensburyRules]

Just make the bet contingent on a stoppage. No stoppage? It's a push, everyone keeps their money. Besides who care what judges think, judges are SB stooges. I wouldn't risk my money on a Vegas decision, wouldn't trust the Brits either.

You are are both saying the other guy's guy is a bum anyway. So if somebody is right somebody should be going down.

Both have shown us they can be stopped.

- - Stoppages are just as dodgy. See Duhapas brought in on short notice for Deyonce and promptly had Deyonce eye completely shut while serving Uncle Al Deyonce's tenderized derrière, so the ref just delays the stoppage until Deyonce finally lands a good shot that knocked Duhapas into the ropes and BINGO, instant stoppage before Duhapas can even fight back.

W-TKO	11/12		event bout score wiki
0:55 ref: Jack Reiss Richard DeCarufel 99-90 Keith Hughes 100-90 Juan Carlos Pelayo 99-91

Reiss is a good ref when he wants to be, but he'll swing dodgy as the need arises, and look at the shut out Deyonce was pitching!

Almost identical to Lar vs Carl Williams who was pitching near a shutout with just a spearing jab that completely closed Lar eye, yet look at the scoring discrepancies!!!

W-UD	15/15		event bout score wiki
ref: Mills Lane Paul Gibbs 146-139 Jerry Roth 143-142 Al Rothenberg 146-139

In both cases the fights would've been stopped immediately had Duhapas or Williams had their eye completely shut.

It's like the world series where the yanks beat the cubs in the 7th game by 8-1...7-2...5-4 where 2 cubbie grand slams are disallowed. Yeah, if MLB adopted Boxing scoring, they'd be just as irrelevant as boxing circling the drain today.

[JAB5239]

Just make the bet contingent on a stoppage. No stoppage? It's a push, everyone keeps their money. Besides who care what judges think, judges are SB stooges. I wouldn't risk my money on a Vegas decision, wouldn't trust the Brits either.

You are are both saying the other guy's guy is a bum anyway. So if somebody is right somebody should be going down.

Both have shown us they can be stopped.

You're wrong. I am not saying AJ is a bum. He is clearly in the top 10 and capable of beating just about any heavyweight. I just don't consider him amongst the elite, the top 2 or 3. I'll bet this fight any way he wants. But Queenie isn't going to take the bet because she isn't as confident as claimed. Wilder WILL win this fight. I truly believe this based on their styles and determination. Hell, I'll bet and let you judge the fight for all I care. You score the fight if it's not a KO, and we both agree to abide by that. If Queenie is confident there should be no reason now not to accept. He won't though. I'll bet on that too!!

[billeau2]

-Mike Weaver
-John Tate
- Gerrie Coetzee
-Gerry Cooney
-Michael Dokes
-Greg Page
-Tim Witherspoon

Who does Deontay beat?

Probably catches Little hercules (Weaver).
Definitely rides by Big John Tate.
Coetzee ditto... really not much of a threat against big punchers.
Dokes and Page had talent and mecurial lives... not a great guarantee that either would show up at their best at any given time. Both guys could box very well at their best. Wilder always does the legwork so he probably gets by both.

Terrible Tim! One of my favorites! the archetype for the Philly fighter... Born and raised in town Terrible Tim hits all the boxes! Could he take Wilder? Thats a tough one. Marciano is an apt analogy here for how I feel about Witherspoon: Many pundits would say something like... "Well this fighter is better but I don't know if I would bet against Marciano...

I don't think Witherspoon would crumble if he was nailed by Wilder. And Tim had skills and talent a plenty. On paper Wilder has better power, as decent a chin and a lot quicker feet than Tim Witherspoon, but Wilder would be pursued by Tim a plenty. Toss up!

[JAB5239]

You're wrong. I am not saying AJ is a bum. He is clearly in the top 10 and capable of beating just about any heavyweight. I just don't consider him amongst the elite, the top 2 or 3. I'll bet this fight any way he wants. But Queenie isn't going to take the bet because she isn't as confident as claimed. Wilder WILL win this fight. I truly believe this based on their styles and determination. Hell, I'll bet and let you judge the fight for all I care. You score the fight if it's not a KO, and we both agree to abide by that. If Queenie is confident there should be no reason now not to accept. He won't though. I'll bet on that too!!

Where is that sissy Queenie? I've given him anything a confiden person could ask for and he's still afraid to put his money where his mouth is.

[mrbig1]

I think Wilder could beat all the fighters from the 80's. AJ does not. Witherspoon may beat them both, but he would KO AJ quick. I think Cooney and Weaver beats him as well. The problem with AJ is in his head. He has never recovered from the first Ruiz fight. This is why he needs to stay away from and puncher like Wilder and fight 2 or 3 club fighters with no power first. if not, he becomes another Chisora. Wake and bake Saturday morning. Ready for college football and beaver at midnight. Peace.