When was the last time a smaller man beat a good top ten ring magazine ranked larger man on points in a significant fight at heavyweight?

[JAB5239]

Holyfield over Douglas. Holyfield over Bowe. Holyfield over Foreman. Byrd over McCline. Ruiz over McCline. Szpilka over McCline. Ibragimov over Briggs.

[Clegg]

We just saw former cruiserweight Usyk outbox AJ twice. He was clearly the smaller man. But you're trying to find reasons to rule that out.

I don't think you have a clear point here. Maybe trying to suggest that Louis/Dempsey/Marciano/Frazier would need a stoppage to beat the modern giant heavyweights but most people would accept that anyway.

Why does it have to be somebody below 210? Nobody is that small or else they'd drain down to CW or if they were set on fighting at HW they'd add size. Why do they have to be 6'1 or less? Plus on top of that you're saying their arms can't be too long.

[Ivich]

I really don't need you to define anything for me. I can see Usyk was the much smaller man compared to AJ. I can see Holyfield was the much smaller man compared to Valuev. Are you saying they weren't, or are you trying to be as rigid as possible just to prove some kind of point?

You are gradually getting to know this poster.lol

[QueensburyRules]

We are counting recent history as in the past 30 years with skilled super heavyweights. Anyway I believe Baer tanked this fight, and I say that after watching it closely, as he is not trying. So far the only man to win vs a skilled super heavyweight via decision is Holyfield. Valuev isn't very skilled by the way.

- - Nor was Valuev inclined to even hit the unlicensed Field rolled out on a 2 wheel cart and propped in place by DKing in a country without a commish to kill this fight.

[JAB5239]

- - Nor was Valuev inclined to even hit the unlicensed Field rolled out on a 2 wheel cart and propped in place by DKing in a country without a commish to kill this fight.

Because he couldn't hit him doesn't mean he wasn't inclined to hit him. Another Don King robbery, just like Chavez gift draw against Whitaker.

[billeau2]

No, you aren't reading my stuff. Usyk is not a small man, at least he is not a sub 210 pounds fighter with a limited reach as stated. There may be an exception to the theory I'm open to reading it. But arm twisting stuff is what is clearly defined is not under consideration. Holyfield is the lone man to defy my theory and it happen in a via very close decision that some people disagreed with , but I am counting it to be fair.

LOL, another hit piece from the size queens conveniently disguised in moronic fashion. How about... What is the average weight of a top heavyweight contender? right now and over the course of history in the division. Top 5 heavyweights we have two under 230... Historically? In the last years there have been some exceptionally large champs, and some not so large... Holyfield, Tyson as opposed to Lewis, Vlad Klitsko... NBot really anything more than a trend as of yet... time will tell.

You can't define things like "small" etc because it shows an agenda. Rather, you use historical data. You take the weights of historical championed heavyweights and you look to see the following:

Is there an upward and steady increase in size? Is there a trend where larger fighters are winning? If so, how does it correlate? You have done none of these things. I doubt you could frankly.

[billeau2]

- - Nor was Valuev inclined to even hit the unlicensed Field rolled out on a 2 wheel cart and propped in place by DKing in a country without a commish to kill this fight.

If a prime Holyfield fought a prime Valuev, for heavyweight honors who do you honestly think would win Queen B? Honestly?

[JAB5239]

If a prime Holyfield fought a prime Valuev, for heavyweight honors who do you honestly think would win Queen B? Honestly?

Queenie has no honor, nor an honest bone in his Turd gobbling body.

[Dr. Z]

Holyfield over Douglas. Holyfield over Bowe. Holyfield over Foreman. Byrd over McCline. Ruiz over McCline. Szpilka over McCline. Ibragimov over Briggs.

I said won a significant match and the aforementioned Holyfield was mentioned. Mcline, and Briggs were not even ring magazine ranked when they happened. Thats not the example I'm looking for.

Once again a sub 6'1" below 210 pounds with a 75" reach or under has not happen in a long time. Again I don't consider Usyk at 6'3" 221 lbs and a 78" reach a small man! Thanks for bringing up the names. Anyone else?

[JAB5239]

I said won a significant match and the aforementioned Holyfield was mentioned. Mcline, and Briggs were not even ring magazine ranked when they happened. Thats not the example I'm looking for.

Once again a sub 6'1" below 210 pounds with a 75" reach or under has not happen in a long time. Again I don't consider Usyk at 6'3" 221 lbs and a 78" reach a small man! Thanks for bringing up the names. Anyone else?

You put all these perimeters on this thread but fail to realize weigh ins today are a good 36 hours before a fight. This means most guys that aren't superheavyweights probably boil down in weight to have a bigger advantage in a lower weight class. Holyfield did it. Usyk did it. Countless other as well I'd bet. But it's certainly not impossible for smaller fighters to beat big skilled fighters as I've shown you.