Joe Louis Blamed D'Amato For Floyds Defeat To Ingo.

[Ivich]

I have no problem with believing that, the newspaper guys knew who was who, so it's more than possible their presence was noted. But I would paint Sharkey as dirty not a victim.

That is very possible.

[Ivich]

What did Louis think about Floyd winning the rematch against Ingo? Did he think Cus gave Floyd better strategy or that Floyd won despite D'Amato's training?

I don't know.

[Anthony342]

I don't know.

Well then I guess Cus wasn't that bad then, was he?

[GhostofDempsey]

It wasn't as though Ingemar was a world-beater of giants when they fought. He had only defeated two contenders prior to Floyd; Machen and Cooper. Floyd had already been in with some seasoned light-heavies like Durelle, Maxim, and Moore, and London who was a journeyman at best. Floyd was an Olympic gold medalist, not some scrapper off the streets. IMO he was brought along at the right pace and the right time when he faced Johansson, he just lost to the better man that night.

[Willie Pep 229]

That fight should have been stooped after the first KD. The moment Patterson turned his back on Johannson and walked towards his corner the referee should have stopped it. Seven KDs is criminal.

Patterson use to tell a story about when he was knocked down (2nd KD) he was on one knee and staring through the ropes into the front row. He was looking John Wayne in the face. Concussed, he couldn't figure out why The Duke had climbed into the ring.

[QueensburyRules]

You've no idea what I watched.It was commercial film produced by Black Hawk Boxing films. I then bought it on video and later on dvd in a heavyweight collection.If I'm mistaken I'm not alone, many thought it was a fake including Johnny Buckley Sharkey's manager ,who asked him how much he got for diving and Sharkey's Wife!
Carnera was never a puncher those of his stoppage wins that were not set ups over dive artists like Big Boy Peterson and Elzier Rioux were over push overs and no hopers. Carnera over 80lbs heavier hit Loughran with shots all night and could not even wobble him.Loughran was ko'd by Sharkey who has one of the lowest ko percentages of any heavy champ.

- - We had a Sharkey memory meeting on this site not so long ago where he was asked that question. He gave an instant, irritated, definitive N-O, HE did not throw the fight.

You obviously didn't watch what I watched, but I may well have watched what you watched, but keep in mind, ie the Johnson/Burns fight where rounds were spliced to be mixed up that was only found out later when a film expert took a look at the film. Old fight film ain't 100% reliable.

You losing the argument is like trying to keep Primo out of the HOF when Baer, Sharkey, and others are in with inferior records. Primo was also a hero in WW2 fighting with Italian Patriot forces against Mussolini while sick with a kidney ailment that knocked him out of boxing.

In short, you can't carry Primo's jock, and like Lar with Rocky, it chaps your nether regions to no end.

[Ivich]

- - We had a Sharkey memory meeting on this site not so long ago where he was asked that question. He gave an instant, irritated, definitive N-O, HE did not throw the fight.

You obviously didn't watch what I watched, but I may well have watched what you watched, but keep in mind, ie the Johnson/Burns fight where rounds were spliced to be mixed up that was only found out later when a film expert took a look at the film. Old fight film ain't 100% reliable.

You losing the argument is like trying to keep Primo out of the HOF when Baer, Sharkey, and others are in with inferior records. Primo was also a hero in WW2 fighting with Italian Patriot forces against Mussolini while sick with a kidney ailment that knocked him out of boxing.

In short, you can't carry Primo's jock, and like Lar with Rocky, it chaps your nether regions to no end.

Pathetic BS.The Carnera v Sharkey film has not been spliced .adulterated,altered at all!
Do you think Sharkey was likely to admit he took a dive?How credulous are you?
Carnera didnt fight with the partisans and was never a hero,in fact he was investigated by them for his affiliations to the *******s.There are several photos of him in ******* uniform giving the salute.He was a favourite of Mussolini's and no photos of him on the canvas were allowed to be published in Italy.

Primo would have liked to defend the title in Italy but that was not allowed since he was under contract with the Madison Square Garden. On October 22, 1933 he fought a re-match against Paulino Uzcudun in Rome; Mussolini was also present at the match. Carnera refused compensation and wore a black shirt on that occasion, to express his closeness to the ******* regime.

"Italy noticed him. The institutions paid homage to him, he was a useful model to the regime. The Duce wanted to make Carnera an ideal model of the Italian man, and in following years expressly forbade the press to publish pictures of the boxer to the mat. So Carnera became a national, invincible hero, and his image was exploited in comics, posters, articles. Later on, after the fall of the ******* regime, the partisans accused him of being a collaborator of Mussolini and only after much criticism Carnera was rehabilitated."








FYI Carnera had a kidney removed because he was diabetic he wasn't "sick" when he resumed boxing and it had nothing to do with his subsequent career and life.Carnera died of cirrhosis of the liver cause by alcoholism.
Tip for you when you want to lecture somebody which you often do,do some research first!

You're Welcome! LOL!

[QueensburyRules]

Pathetic BS.The Carnera v Sharkey film has not been spliced .adulterated,altered at all!
Do you think Sharkey was likely to admit he took a dive?How credulous are you?
Carnera didnt fight with the partisans and was never a hero,in fact he was investigated by them for his affiliations to the *******s.There are several photos of him in ******* uniform giving the salute.He was a favourite of Mussolini's and no photos of him on the canvas were allowed to be published in Italy.

Primo would have liked to defend the title in Italy but that was not allowed since he was under contract with the Madison Square Garden. On October 22, 1933 he fought a re-match against Paulino Uzcudun in Rome; Mussolini was also present at the match. Carnera refused compensation and wore a black shirt on that occasion, to express his closeness to the ******* regime.

"Italy noticed him. The institutions paid homage to him, he was a useful model to the regime. The Duce wanted to make Carnera an ideal model of the Italian man, and in following years expressly forbade the press to publish pictures of the boxer to the mat. So Carnera became a national, invincible hero, and his image was exploited in comics, posters, articles. Later on, after the fall of the ******* regime, the partisans accused him of being a collaborator of Mussolini and only after much criticism Carnera was rehabilitated."










FYI Carnera had a kidney removed because he was diabetic he wasn't "sick" when he resumed boxing and it had nothing to do with his subsequent career and life.Carnera died of cirrhosis of the liver cause by alcoholism.
Tip for you when you want to lecture somebody which you often do,do some research first!

You're Welcome! LOL!

- - U chapping U nether regions ain't a good look, but fits U like a cheep suit.

Working back to front, diabetes is one of most chronic, long lasting Illnesses of mankind, a sickness. Primo was already done by Louis only propped up for the Louis ascension before losing his last 3 fights of 4 fights before retiring in 1937. He made a brief comeback post WW2 with similar results.

The bright red chapness of U assness ignores pre WW2 Mussolini was elected in the middle of the same depression giving rise to Hitler. Uncounted world leaders and celebrities were seen in their presence and received favorable publicity for both parties. See Henry Ford most notably, and the most heroic of all, Lindberg, supported Hitler who brought Germany back from the dead as a major industrial nation.

WW2 changes everything, ie WW2 changes everything!!!
Primo fought with Italian partisans, hence his "rehabilitation." He never fought for Mussolini, period .
Already noted your film ain't the only film and certainly ain't the film that I base my facts on though I may have seen your film that is inconclusive. Given U strong resemblance to the usual frothing at the mouth rabid village idiot inhabiting boxing forums, U couldn't know if your film was spliced or not, but no matter, it ain't the film showing the definitive results.

The one I seen is the definitive end of the fight as the result shows on boxrec, a clear KO, DOA...yer welcome...

[Ivich]

- - U chapping U nether regions ain't a good look, but fits U like a cheep suit.

Working back to front, diabetes is one of most chronic, long lasting Illnesses of mankind, a sickness. Primo was already done by Louis only propped up for the Louis ascension before losing his last 3 fights of 4 fights before retiring in 1937. He made a brief comeback post WW2 with similar results.

The bright red chapness of U assness ignores pre WW2 Mussolini was elected in the middle of the same depression giving rise to Hitler. Uncounted world leaders and celebrities were seen in their presence and received favorable publicity for both parties. See Henry Ford most notably, and the most heroic of all, Lindberg, supported Hitler who brought Germany back from the dead as a major industrial nation.

WW2 changes everything, ie WW2 changes everything!!!
Primo fought with Italian partisans, hence his "rehabilitation." He never fought for Mussolini, period .
Already noted your film ain't the only film and certainly ain't the film that I base my facts on though I may have seen your film that is inconclusive. Given U strong resemblance to the usual frothing at the mouth rabid village idiot inhabiting boxing forums, U couldn't know if your film was spliced or not, but no matter, it ain't the film showing the definitive results.

The one I seen is the definitive end of the fight as the result shows on boxrec, a clear KO, DOA...yer welcome...

Carnera did not fight for either side inWW2
He was exempt from military service because of his diabetes .You know nothing about boxing and even less about Carnera
The hilarious thing is you actually think you're pretty smart!

Whilst everyone here knows you're as dumb as a box of rocks! Mr Sad Sack. You crack me up ! lol
ps My Wife is diabetic don't presume to tell me anything about it ,or boxing for that matter, you poor clown!

[QueensburyRules]

Carnera did not fight for either side inWW2
He was exempt from military service because of his diabetes .You know nothing about boxing and even less about Carnera
The hilarious thing is you actually think you're pretty smart!

Whilst everyone here knows you're as dumb as a box of rocks! Mr Sad Sack. You crack me up ! lol
ps My Wife is diabetic don't presume to tell me anything about it ,or boxing for that matter, you poor clown!

- - Primo fought with guerilla partisans who don't draft, not official state militaries.

It's like U was born yesterday yet again today for the umpteenth time, and please do leave your poor diabetic wife out of it. Be a Man and stand up for once for U on U own 2 feet instead of hiding behind a skirt.