Talking Boxing - Your Screening Question?

[billeau2]

Very few people have an interest. I came into boxing off of the technical aspects, via martial arts. the reason people in the so called traditional martial arts can no longer fight is because, they really have very little understanding, or interest. The people who first spoke to me about history in boxing were guys who were fighters and understood the applications involved... So I started azz backwards so to speak.

With the above info in mind: Show me someone who understands how to apply a proper shoulder rolling technique and can tell me why Broner is absolute shiat with it, mayweather's is overrated, and Toney learned from Moore and does it right.

[DeeMoney]

Regarding the football/baseball portion of the discussion: I think that the average 'sports fan' knows more about those sports than they know about boxing. I would also say that there are many sports fans who claim to be boxing fans, but really just know the general stuff: the names of Fury and Canelo, a bit about Mayweather, Pac, Tyson, etc. as opposed to having far more knowledge about the other sports.

That being written, I feel that per person (or P4P if you will) actual boxing fans have a greater understanding of the sport, in regards to what is taking place in the competition itself, than fans of other sports. Allow me to explain. I have coached football at various levels for a couple decades now, I have worked directly with HOFers, SB champs, and a lot of times with players right on the fringe of making it pro. I write that not to toot my own horn, as I know there are others who know far more than me; rather to point out that most 'football fans' have no clue about whats going on technique wise, strategically, development, etc. They know about their favorite team, and the stats of guys on their fantasy team, and all the pop culture stuff; but in regards to the game itself, are novices. Conversely, I think most boxing fans have a good idea about whats going on in the ring.

As alluded to, fans of other sports have equal, or possibly better, knowledge about statistics and records- but that could be because, as others have pointed to, a lot larger sample size of information in those sports. There is just far more competitions taking place at the highest level for the other sports, ergo more of that type of information to know.

As for the original post: I tend to assume most people who I meet know nothing about boxing as is. If they say they are fans, I give them the benefit of the doubt on knowing the big names at the time, and then work my way into a discussion to see how much they know. In regards to history, I assume they know Tyson, Ali, and the 4 kings, but probably not much more. But I would never dismiss anyone who wants to talk boxing just because I may know more- as there are many out there who I am sure know more than I do.

[The Old LefHook]

Well OK . . .

Availability of information. Ball-game players play almost daily, 162 BB, 82 basketball, 17 (weeks) football - so there is so much more to know. Also you can divide the players into skilled positions and that increases the necessary knowledge as well.

We have considerably less information to work with. Look at Tefimo Lopez, he has been around for several years now and has had only 16 fights. The first 10 were not even avaiable on TV. There just isn't as much to know, to work with.

After winning the 64K Question Joyce Brothers stated she chose boxing, as her topic, because its history was limited in amount of information when compared to the other sports. She actually referred to boxing history as being finite, believing they couldn't find a question she wouldn't have a chance to learn.

Let me ask it this way? Would you let a dad who only watched football coach a pee wee football team? Would you let a dad who only watched boxing teach kids to box?

I not sure that's a fair question. Never mind.

It is a goofy question with no relevance.

You think because ball players have more games their fans know more. I'll play your game then. Sorry, son, the superfluity of information in those other sports is too much for the average human to digest and correlate, and ball game fans are lucky if they are even of average intelligence. So what good is a mountain of information going to do them, when only 1 out of 1000 can digest it? They end up mired in a swamp of information knowing less than the average boxing fan, who has a reasonable amount of data to work with.

[The Old LefHook]

If ball game fans know more than boxing fans about the sport of their choice, isn't it curious that they do not a whit better when it comes to betting. If they really knew more about their sport they would bet more successfully than people who bet on boxing. Do they?

[Willie Pep 229]

If ball game fans know more than boxing fans about the sport of their choice, isn't it curious that they do not a whit better when it comes to betting. If they really knew more about their sport they would bet more successfully than people who bet on boxing. Do they?

That we really don't know the answer to . . . Does Vegas share its win-loss data?

Fantasy Football betting has been taken over by geeks using algorithms - they win all the cash.

Can such algorithms be used in boxing? I don't think so . . . But agsin I am not sure what that says about the information available and the fan's ability to absorb it.

[The Old LefHook]

True to all that but football fans got those fantasy players and they study the players closely - also they get the total geeks who show up at the draft and cheer and boo the picks. I'm not sure we got too many fans at that level.

No, our fans just go to the weigh-ins, and pay for the privilege. No fan loyalty in that, according to you.

[Willie Pep 229]

No, our fans just go to the weigh-ins, and pay for the privilege. No fan loyalty in that, according to you.

I'm pretty sure they pay to attend the draft. But I am not challenging the loyalty of boxing fans!

Let me try again, ball-game fans have more to talk about than our guys do.

Don't mean that to question commitment.

[QueensburyRules]

Regarding the football/baseball portion of the discussion: I think that the average 'sports fan' knows more about those sports than they know about boxing. I would also say that there are many sports fans who claim to be boxing fans, but really just know the general stuff: the names of Fury and Canelo, a bit about Mayweather, Pac, Tyson, etc. as opposed to having far more knowledge about the other sports.

That being written, I feel that per person (or P4P if you will) actual boxing fans have a greater understanding of the sport, in regards to what is taking place in the competition itself, than fans of other sports. Allow me to explain. I have coached football at various levels for a couple decades now, I have worked directly with HOFers, SB champs, and a lot of times with players right on the fringe of making it pro. I write that not to toot my own horn, as I know there are others who know far more than me; rather to point out that most 'football fans' have no clue about whats going on technique wise, strategically, development, etc. They know about their favorite team, and the stats of guys on their fantasy team, and all the pop culture stuff; but in regards to the game itself, are novices. Conversely, I think most boxing fans have a good idea about whats going on in the ring.

As alluded to, fans of other sports have equal, or possibly better, knowledge about statistics and records- but that could be because, as others have pointed to, a lot larger sample size of information in those sports. There is just far more competitions taking place at the highest level for the other sports, ergo more of that type of information to know.

As for the original post: I tend to assume most people who I meet know nothing about boxing as is. If they say they are fans, I give them the benefit of the doubt on knowing the big names at the time, and then work my way into a discussion to see how much they know. In regards to history, I assume they know Tyson, Ali, and the 4 kings, but probably not much more. But I would never dismiss anyone who wants to talk boxing just because I may know more- as there are many out there who I am sure know more than I do.

- - In America, Football is Football and Soccer is Soccer and n'er the two shall meet, so do you play round or oblong ball?

[QueensburyRules]

Well OK . . .

Availability of information. Ball-game players play almost daily, 162 BB, 82 basketball, 17 (weeks) football - so there is so much more to know. Also you can divide the players into skilled positions and that increases the necessary knowledge as well.

We have considerably less information to work with. Look at Tefimo Lopez, he has been around for several years now and has had only 16 fights. The first 10 were not even avaiable on TV. There just isn't as much to know, to work with.

After winning the 64K Question Joyce Brothers stated she chose boxing, as her topic, because its history was limited in amount of information when compared to the other sports. She actually referred to boxing history as being finite, believing they couldn't find a question she wouldn't have a chance to learn.

Let me ask it this way? Would you let a dad who only watched football coach a pee wee football team? Would you let a dad who only watched boxing teach kids to box?

I not sure that's a fair question. Never mind.

- - Most all men who watch football played whether in the streets, playgrounds, or playing fields suited up. Suited up football is coached, so yes, I coached peewee football in a frustratingly memorable experience. Most of my time was spent breaking kids apart who only wanted to rassle each other.

In baseball they're separated by great distance, and so easier to coach.

I have doubts about the intelligence of most boxing coaches, hence I never guided my boys in that direction. However, the oldest when 10 wanted to take Gracy Judo, but thankfully there was no such operations in existence then since their mother was against any martial training. They got theirs' on the playgrounds and parks like most kids that included trying to take down pop.

[DeeMoney]

- - In America, Football is Football and Soccer is Soccer and n'er the two shall meet, so do you play round or oblong ball?

Haha, oblong- American football. Soccer is great though, no offense to it- but I work in American football