Did Mike Tyson duck Lennox Lewis and George Foreman 1989-1992 ?

[JAB5239]

- - Yeah, should've been 25 mil, so is that the best U can do?

Your links were post Tiananmen when the fight was no longer viable, but promoters were trying anyway.

Camps had a Gentlemen's agreement, a legal contract in a court of law if proven. They were drawing up the paper contract when fight was canceled.

National Sporting Club of England had a Gentleman's agreement with JJohnson that he broke. The agreement was only legal within the English territorial sphere. Once he fled to the the US, it was no more than a defunct agreement.

Count thee how many x U was born yesterday today.

Any link you can find discussing a fight in China will be dated either June 1st or 2nd 1989. The Tiananmen Square Massacre was on June 4th of that year, so again, you are incorrect.

And drawing up papers is not a legal binding contract. Lawyers need to comb over the details before signing anything. You did say it was a signed for a record setting purse, did you not? Now you're backtracking. The fact is nothing was ever signed and only in the preliminary stages of discussion.

You're of course welcome to provide more links to this proposed fight to prove me wrong if you can find them. We already know you cant, so troll on!!

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Yeah, should've been 25 mil, so is that the best U can do?

Your links were post Tiananmen when the fight was no longer viable, but promoters were trying anyway.

Camps had a Gentlemen's agreement, a legal contract in a court of law if proven. They were drawing up the paper contract when fight was canceled.

National Sporting Club of England had a Gentleman's agreement with JJohnson that he broke. The agreement was only legal within the English territorial sphere. Once he fled to the the US, it was no more than a defunct agreement.

Count thee how many x U was born yesterday today.

Verbal contracts are legally binding in the US just really tough to prove.

[JAB5239]

Verbal contracts are legally binding in the US just really tough to prove.

How many fighters have called out another fighter and had that fighter say "yes, I'll fight you"? It's a verbal agreement but these fights don't often get made because all the details have not been worked out in contract, which is exactly the case with the Foreman-Tyson fight. Yes the Tiananmen Square Massacre halted talks, but that is all it was at that point. Nothing was hashed out. This is a false narrative Queenie has tried to push before, like so many others he makes up.

My point on this now stands that with things of this nature with so much money at stake, I think it takes more than just a verbal agreement to make a mega fight. I could be wrong though.

[User Name HERE]

I keep hearing this narrative , "Tyson ducked Lennox and Foreman"

what I want to know is;

1. Is this true?

2. Did he duck before incarceration , aka "Prime Tyson years" ?

Ducked Foreman for sure.

[Nash out]

Tyson did not want smoke from the big grill. Nash out.

[Willie Pep 229]

How many fighters have called out another fighter and had that fighter say "yes, I'll fight you"? It's a verbal agreement but these fights don't often get made because all the details have not been worked out in contract, which is exactly the case with the Foreman-Tyson fight. Yes the Tiananmen Square Massacre halted talks, but that is all it was at that point. Nothing was hashed out. This is a false narrative Queenie has tried to push before, like so many others he makes up.

My point on this now stands that with things of this nature with so much money at stake, I think it takes more than just a verbal agreement to make a mega fight. I could be wrong though.

Yea - fighters calling each other out would likely not hold up as a verbal contract. There are certain elements of a contract that have to exist before it is a contract, verbal or written.

One such elements is 'what each party gains' - with a fight that would necessitate there be a definite decision on the purse guarantee.

Another element is called adequate consideration - needless to say two fighters yelling into a microphone would not rise to that standard.

[QueensburyRules]

Any link you can find discussing a fight in China will be dated either June 1st or 2nd 1989. The Tiananmen Square Massacre was on June 4th of that year, so again, you are incorrect.

And drawing up papers is not a legal binding contract. Lawyers need to comb over the details before signing anything. You did say it was a signed for a record setting purse, did you not? Now you're backtracking. The fact is nothing was ever signed and only in the preliminary stages of discussion.

You're of course welcome to provide more links to this proposed fight to prove me wrong if you can find them. We already know you cant, so troll on!!

- - The links U posted were post Tiananmen not relevant to the Chinese offer that went up in the smoke of Tiananmen.

Sorta like U being never relevant because U too toooopid

[Willow The Wisp]

My opinion?? Is that what this thred is asking for?? Allright, here it is. Mike Tyson did not "duck" Lennox Lewis or George Foreman at any point. Furthermore, George Foreman did not Duck Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis. Lennox Lewis did not Duck George Foreman or Rid**** Bowe. Larry Holmes did not Duck John Tate, Gerrie Coetzee, Michael Dokes or Greg Page. In truth, if world class fighters had the mentality to want to duck anyone, they would not have the stuff required to get as far as they did get. Fighers are as afraid of a fight (with anyone) as an electrician is afraid of electricity or a plumber is afraid of pipes. These myths are the grist of a slow news day press hack and promoters with an agenda, almost all the time. Managers, however are paid to plot their fighter's careers. If that translates to careful navigation, then so be it. Weakies who would never step in a ring who criticize a fighter's smart career crafting are meaningless jellyfish.
......Except when it comes to Rid**** Bowe. He shamelessly Ducked Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson and probably George Foreman too. The big dummy.

[Willie Pep 229]

My opinion?? Is that what this thred is asking for?? Allright, here it is. Mike Tyson did not "duck" Lennox Lewis or George Foreman at any point. Furthermore, George Foreman did not Duck Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis. Lennox Lewis did not Duck George Foreman or Rid**** Bowe. Larry Holmes did not Duck John Tate, Gerrie Coetzee, Michael Dokes or Greg Page. In truth, if world class fighters had the mentality to want to duck anyone, they would not have the stuff required to get as far as they did get. Fighers are as afraid of a fight (with anyone) as an electrician is afraid of electricity or a plumber is afraid of pipes. These myths are the grist of a slow news day press hack and promoters with an agenda, almost all the time. Managers, however are paid to plot their fighter's careers. If that translates to careful navigation, then so be it. Weakies who would never step in a ring who criticize a fighter's smart career crafting are meaningless jellyfish.
......Except when it comes to Rid**** Bowe. He shamelessly Ducked Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson and probably George Foreman too. The big dummy.

Agree with everything but the last point. I don't see a Bowe title timeline where Bowe is suspose to defend against Lewis.

Bowe after beating Holyfield for the title gets an easy one agsinst Dokes (which is fair, even traditional) then he is suppose to take on Mercer but Mercer self-distructs agsinst Ferguson (and as I have said before it would have been wrong not to let Jesse have the next shot) and then Bowe loses the title to Holyfield.

I know everyone points to him trashing the WBC belt and argues that act was solely motivated to duck Lewis. But come on, anyone who knows the first thing about the fight game knows there can be plenty of reasons to get Sulaiman (sp) and the WBC out of your career.

At the same time Lewis loses to McCall and then struggles with Mercer, and doesn't rematch McCall until Bowe is out of the title.

Maybe if Bowe gets by Holyfield in the Fan Man fight and then doesn't pick up a Lewis challenge we might have cause to call it a duck.

But during Bowe's title timeline none of his fights are wrong, and Lewis during that period isn't correctly positioned that he should be called an absolute.

Bowe is titled holder for only a short time.

I think too much guilt is hoisted on Bowe for trashing the WBC belt. There could realistically be many reasons ($$$) other than ducking Lewis for getting rid of the WBC (if you don't need them.)

So I argue, at what point in the Bowe title timeline should that fight have occurred?

I repeat my agreement from above - I believe there are very few actual ducks motivated by fear of an opponent. As you said, if they are the kind of men who rise to the top of the game they're not running scared from opponents.

[JAB5239]

- - The links U posted were post Tiananmen not relevant to the Chinese offer that went up in the smoke of Tiananmen.

Sorta like U being never relevant because U too toooopid

Whatever you say sunshine. I'll post a dozen links right now and none will be dated after June 2nd 1989. You go ahead post ONE single link that says this proposed fight was signed before that time. Go ahead now, we'll wait.