Prime of Prime Which Heavy Champs Would Frazier Beat

[The Old LefHook]

First on all, Smokin' Joe must use the equipment of his opponents' era. Those small gloves are not for headhunters. No worry though, for Joe was a fierce body puncher. Using their equipment, Joe beats:

1 John L. Sullivan
2 James Corbett
3 Fitz
4 Marvin Hart
5 Tommy Burns
6 Jess Willard
7 Max Schmeling
8 Jack Sharkey
9 Primo Carnera
10 Max Baer
11 Braddock
12 Ezzard Charles
13 Joe Walcott
14 Floyd Patterson
15 Ingemar Johansson
16 Ernie Terrel
17 Jimmy Ellis
18 Leon Spinks
19 Ken Norton
20 John Tate
21 Mike Weaver
22 Michael Dokes
23 Gerrie Coetzee
24 Tim Witherspoon
25 Pinklon Thomas
26 Greg Page
27 Tony Tubbs
28 Michael Spinks
29 Trevor Berbick
30 Bonecrusher Smith
31 Tony Tucker
32 Francesco Damiani
33 Holyfield?
34 Ray Mercer?
35Michael Moorer
36 Rid**** Bowe?
37 Tommy Morrison
38 Michael Bentt
39 Herbie Hide
40 Oliver McCall
41 Bruce Seldon
42 Frank Bruno
43 Henry Akinwande
44 Vitali Klit
45 Vladmir Klit (old stork legs)
46 Chris Byrd
47 Jphn Ruiz
48 Hasim Rahman
49 Roy Jones Jr
50 Lamon Brewster
51 Nicolai Valuev
52 Siarhwi Liakhovich
53 Oleg Maskaev
54 Shannon Briggs
55 Ruslan Chagaev
55 Sultan Ibragimov
56 Sam Peter
57 David Haye
58 Alexander Povetkin
59 Bermane Stiverne
60 CharlesMartin
61 Lucas Browne
62 Anthony Joshua
63 Joseph Parker
64 Manuel Charr
65 Andy Ruiz
66 Trevor Bryan
67 Oleksander Usyk?
68 Daniel Dubois


Out of 80 + champions listed, I have4 Joe losing only to:

Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Louis
Liston
Clay
Foreman
Tyson

I have question marks behind the names of Usyk, Bowe, Holyfield, Mercer.

As anyone should be able to see, Joe is an AT upper class man in the heavyweight division.

[Willie Pep 229]

Sultan Ibragimov would have schooled Joe.

I think you made-up some of those names just to test us.

Just to argue:

James Braddock the night he UDed Baer could have frustrated Frazier and was physically stronger than most stop to think.

Michael Spinks (before his knees turned to crap) had the in-out movement and the strength to keep Frazier off him.

I agree with your question marks - Bowe, Mercer, Holyfield, and Douglas, if their heads are screwed on right that night, they could give Frazier a tough night. Just maybe.

The key to beating Frazier was strength. You couldn't let him back you up; couldn't allow him to bully you.

P.S. You forgot Buster.

[Ivich]

First on all, Smokin' Joe must use the equipment of his opponents' era. Those small gloves are not for headhunters. No worry though, for Joe was a fierce body puncher. Using their equipment, Joe beats:

1 John L. Sullivan
2 James Corbett
3 Fitz
4 Marvin Hart
5 Tommy Burns
6 Jess Willard
7 Max Schmeling
8 Jack Sharkey
9 Primo Carnera
10 Max Baer
11 Braddock
12 Ezzard Charles
13 Joe Walcott
14 Floyd Patterson
15 Ingemar Johansson
16 Ernie Terrel
17 Jimmy Ellis
18 Leon Spinks
19 Ken Norton
20 John Tate
21 Mike Weaver
22 Michael Dokes
23 Gerrie Coetzee
24 Tim Witherspoon
25 Pinklon Thomas
26 Greg Page
27 Tony Tubbs
28 Michael Spinks
29 Trevor Berbick
30 Bonecrusher Smith
31 Tony Tucker
32 Francesco Damiani
33 Holyfield?
34 Ray Mercer?
35Michael Moorer
36 Rid**** Bowe?
37 Tommy Morrison
38 Michael Bentt
39 Herbie Hide
40 Oliver McCall
41 Bruce Seldon
42 Frank Bruno
43 Henry Akinwande
44 Vitali Klit
45 Vladmir Klit (old stork legs)
46 Chris Byrd
47 Jphn Ruiz
48 Hasim Rahman
49 Roy Jones Jr
50 Lamon Brewster
51 Nicolai Valuev
52 Siarhwi Liakhovich
53 Oleg Maskaev
54 Shannon Briggs
55 Ruslan Chagaev
55 Sultan Ibragimov
56 Sam Peter
57 David Haye
58 Alexander Povetkin
59 Bermane Stiverne
60 CharlesMartin
61 Lucas Browne
62 Anthony Joshua
63 Joseph Parker
64 Manuel Charr
65 Andy Ruiz
66 Trevor Bryan
67 Oleksander Usyk?
68 Daniel Dubois


Out of 80 + champions listed, I have4 Joe losing only to:

Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Louis
Liston
Clay
Foreman
Tyson

I have question marks behind the names of Usyk, Bowe, Holyfield, Mercer.

As anyone should be able to see, Joe is an AT upper class man in the heavyweight division.

I'd broadly agree with your picks.but think;
Vitali
Wlad
Holyfield
Bowe
Usyk
Beat him. I also must give Witherspoon a small chance,Walcott a chance based on the1stMarciano fight and Joshua a reasonable chance because of his power. Joe didnt fare too well with the only real ****er he met.
Shannon Briggs and Tony Tucker might frustrate him and nick a dec too, though Joe should be favoured.

[The Old LefHook]

Sultan Ibragimov would have schooled Joe.

I think you made-up some of those names just to test us.

Just to argue:

James Braddock the night he UDed Baer could have frustrated Frazier and was physically stronger than most stop to think.

Michael Spinks (before his knees turned to crap) had the in-out movement and the strength to keep Frazier off him.

I agree with your question marks - Bowe, Mercer, Holyfield, and Douglas, if their heads are screwed on right that night, they could give Frazier a tough night. Just maybe.

The key to beating Frazier was strength. You couldn't let him back you up; couldn't allow him to bully you.

P.S. You forgot Buster.

Boy, are you spouting ****** things.

[billeau2]

I'd broadly agree with your picks.but think;
Vitali
Wlad
Holyfield
Bowe
Usyk
Beat him. I also must give Witherspoon a small chance,Walcott a chance based on the1stMarciano fight and Joshua a reasonable chance because of his power. Joe didnt fare too well with the only real ****er he met.
Shannon Briggs and Tony Tucker might frustrate him and nick a dec too, though Joe should be favoured.

Witherspoon is one of my favorite lesser knowns. Tim came up in the Philly tradition. He had chops, its certainly possible he could outslug Joe, though I would go with Frazier if the mortgage was on the line. Briggs gassed too easily. I don't know if he could maintain enough to keep Joe down.

[billeau2]

First on all, Smokin' Joe must use the equipment of his opponents' era. Those small gloves are not for headhunters. No worry though, for Joe was a fierce body puncher. Using their equipment, Joe beats:

1 John L. Sullivan
2 James Corbett
3 Fitz
4 Marvin Hart
5 Tommy Burns
6 Jess Willard
7 Max Schmeling
8 Jack Sharkey
9 Primo Carnera
10 Max Baer
11 Braddock
12 Ezzard Charles
13 Joe Walcott
14 Floyd Patterson
15 Ingemar Johansson
16 Ernie Terrel
17 Jimmy Ellis
18 Leon Spinks
19 Ken Norton
20 John Tate
21 Mike Weaver
22 Michael Dokes
23 Gerrie Coetzee
24 Tim Witherspoon
25 Pinklon Thomas
26 Greg Page
27 Tony Tubbs
28 Michael Spinks
29 Trevor Berbick
30 Bonecrusher Smith
31 Tony Tucker
32 Francesco Damiani
33 Holyfield?
34 Ray Mercer?
35Michael Moorer
36 Rid**** Bowe?
37 Tommy Morrison
38 Michael Bentt
39 Herbie Hide
40 Oliver McCall
41 Bruce Seldon
42 Frank Bruno
43 Henry Akinwande
44 Vitali Klit
45 Vladmir Klit (old stork legs)
46 Chris Byrd
47 Jphn Ruiz
48 Hasim Rahman
49 Roy Jones Jr
50 Lamon Brewster
51 Nicolai Valuev
52 Siarhwi Liakhovich
53 Oleg Maskaev
54 Shannon Briggs
55 Ruslan Chagaev
55 Sultan Ibragimov
56 Sam Peter
57 David Haye
58 Alexander Povetkin
59 Bermane Stiverne
60 CharlesMartin
61 Lucas Browne
62 Anthony Joshua
63 Joseph Parker
64 Manuel Charr
65 Andy Ruiz
66 Trevor Bryan
67 Oleksander Usyk?
68 Daniel Dubois


Out of 80 + champions listed, I have4 Joe losing only to:

Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Louis
Liston
Clay
Foreman
Tyson

I have question marks behind the names of Usyk, Bowe, Holyfield, Mercer.

As anyone should be able to see, Joe is an AT upper class man in the heavyweight division.

Too strong for Usyk, ditto for Mercer. Bowe was big and strong enough to win. Holyfield was also capable when he boxed because Holly had power also... His power was easy to underestimate.

[them_apples]

First on all, Smokin' Joe must use the equipment of his opponents' era. Those small gloves are not for headhunters. No worry though, for Joe was a fierce body puncher. Using their equipment, Joe beats:

1 John L. Sullivan
2 James Corbett
3 Fitz
4 Marvin Hart
5 Tommy Burns
6 Jess Willard
7 Max Schmeling
8 Jack Sharkey
9 Primo Carnera
10 Max Baer
11 Braddock
12 Ezzard Charles
13 Joe Walcott
14 Floyd Patterson
15 Ingemar Johansson
16 Ernie Terrel
17 Jimmy Ellis
18 Leon Spinks
19 Ken Norton
20 John Tate
21 Mike Weaver
22 Michael Dokes
23 Gerrie Coetzee
24 Tim Witherspoon
25 Pinklon Thomas
26 Greg Page
27 Tony Tubbs
28 Michael Spinks
29 Trevor Berbick
30 Bonecrusher Smith
31 Tony Tucker
32 Francesco Damiani
33 Holyfield?
34 Ray Mercer?
35Michael Moorer
36 Rid**** Bowe?
37 Tommy Morrison
38 Michael Bentt
39 Herbie Hide
40 Oliver McCall
41 Bruce Seldon
42 Frank Bruno
43 Henry Akinwande
44 Vitali Klit
45 Vladmir Klit (old stork legs)
46 Chris Byrd
47 Jphn Ruiz
48 Hasim Rahman
49 Roy Jones Jr
50 Lamon Brewster
51 Nicolai Valuev
52 Siarhwi Liakhovich
53 Oleg Maskaev
54 Shannon Briggs
55 Ruslan Chagaev
55 Sultan Ibragimov
56 Sam Peter
57 David Haye
58 Alexander Povetkin
59 Bermane Stiverne
60 CharlesMartin
61 Lucas Browne
62 Anthony Joshua
63 Joseph Parker
64 Manuel Charr
65 Andy Ruiz
66 Trevor Bryan
67 Oleksander Usyk?
68 Daniel Dubois


Out of 80 + champions listed, I have4 Joe losing only to:

Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Louis
Liston
Clay
Foreman
Tyson

I have question marks behind the names of Usyk, Bowe, Holyfield, Mercer.

As anyone should be able to see, Joe is an AT upper class man in the heavyweight division.

Id take him over Tyson and Tunney as well. He’s a short pressure fighter that fights inside so Tunney is going to struggle hard with this style, considering how badly greb beat him this way (greb is much smaller). Tunney eventually figured him out but outfighting boxers do poorly vs Frazier / armstrong style.

im back and forth on a Frazier Rocky matchup.

Tyson and Frazier is destined to be an inside fight and Frazier is vastly better at this than Mike. Mike can hurt and drop Joe but Joe has a track record of getting up.

other then that, I agree he beats all those guys you listed.

[Willow The Wisp]

First on all, Smokin' Joe must use the equipment of his opponents' era. Those small gloves are not for headhunters. No worry though, for Joe was a fierce body puncher. Using their equipment, Joe beats:

1 John L. Sullivan
2 James Corbett
3 Fitz
4 Marvin Hart
5 Tommy Burns
6 Jess Willard
7 Max Schmeling
8 Jack Sharkey
9 Primo Carnera
10 Max Baer
11 Braddock
12 Ezzard Charles
13 Joe Walcott
14 Floyd Patterson
15 Ingemar Johansson
16 Ernie Terrel
17 Jimmy Ellis
18 Leon Spinks
19 Ken Norton
20 John Tate
21 Mike Weaver
22 Michael Dokes
23 Gerrie Coetzee
24 Tim Witherspoon
25 Pinklon Thomas
26 Greg Page
27 Tony Tubbs
28 Michael Spinks
29 Trevor Berbick
30 Bonecrusher Smith
31 Tony Tucker
32 Francesco Damiani
33 Holyfield?
34 Ray Mercer?
35Michael Moorer
36 Rid**** Bowe?
37 Tommy Morrison
38 Michael Bentt
39 Herbie Hide
40 Oliver McCall
41 Bruce Seldon
42 Frank Bruno
43 Henry Akinwande
44 Vitali Klit
45 Vladmir Klit (old stork legs)
46 Chris Byrd
47 Jphn Ruiz
48 Hasim Rahman
49 Roy Jones Jr
50 Lamon Brewster
51 Nicolai Valuev
52 Siarhwi Liakhovich
53 Oleg Maskaev
54 Shannon Briggs
55 Ruslan Chagaev
55 Sultan Ibragimov
56 Sam Peter
57 David Haye
58 Alexander Povetkin
59 Bermane Stiverne
60 CharlesMartin
61 Lucas Browne
62 Anthony Joshua
63 Joseph Parker
64 Manuel Charr
65 Andy Ruiz
66 Trevor Bryan
67 Oleksander Usyk?
68 Daniel Dubois


Out of 80 + champions listed, I have4 Joe losing only to:

Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Louis
Liston
Clay
Foreman
Tyson

I have question marks behind the names of Usyk, Bowe, Holyfield, Mercer.

As anyone should be able to see, Joe is an AT upper class man in the heavyweight division.

That's a very good list in my estimation. Certainly gives the relentlessFrazierthe credit he EARNED. I pick Frazier over Usyk, Holyfield in competitive fights. I'm seeing him beating the will to fight out of Mercer, and if you can out fight a 29 year old Ali in the most important fight of Ali's life up to that time (& maybe ever); you run through the slightly overrated Bowe without allot of trouble.
Tunney remains underrated but Frazier would give him a pitched battle.
Lost to everyone here, it seems, is Jeffries, who I pick as a favorite over Frazier due to his division best strength, and his great athleticism and class leading durability.

[them_apples]

That's a very good list in my estimation. Certainly gives the relentlessFrazierthe credit he EARNED. I pick Frazier over Usyk, Holyfield in competitive fights. I'm seeing him beating the will to fight out of Mercer, and if you can out fight a 29 year old Ali in the most important fight of Ali's life up to that time (& maybe ever); you run through the slightly overrated Bowe without allot of trouble.
Tunney remains underrated but Frazier would give him a pitched battle.
Lost to everyone here, it seems, is Jeffries, who I pick as a favorite over Frazier due to his division best strength, and his great athleticism and class leading durability.

When we are talking “their gloves” which era? Johnsons era you can grapple well with those gloves. If thats the case all the fighters in that era with grappling gloves are gonna throw a wildcard in their as to deciding the victor. Good chance heavy grappling could nullify many skills

[JAB5239]

First on all, Smokin' Joe must use the equipment of his opponents' era. Those small gloves are not for headhunters. No worry though, for Joe was a fierce body puncher. Using their equipment, Joe beats:

1 John L. Sullivan
2 James Corbett
3 Fitz
4 Marvin Hart
5 Tommy Burns
6 Jess Willard
7 Max Schmeling
8 Jack Sharkey
9 Primo Carnera
10 Max Baer
11 Braddock
12 Ezzard Charles
13 Joe Walcott
14 Floyd Patterson
15 Ingemar Johansson
16 Ernie Terrel
17 Jimmy Ellis
18 Leon Spinks
19 Ken Norton
20 John Tate
21 Mike Weaver
22 Michael Dokes
23 Gerrie Coetzee
24 Tim Witherspoon
25 Pinklon Thomas
26 Greg Page
27 Tony Tubbs
28 Michael Spinks
29 Trevor Berbick
30 Bonecrusher Smith
31 Tony Tucker
32 Francesco Damiani
33 Holyfield?
34 Ray Mercer?
35Michael Moorer
36 Rid**** Bowe?
37 Tommy Morrison
38 Michael Bentt
39 Herbie Hide
40 Oliver McCall
41 Bruce Seldon
42 Frank Bruno
43 Henry Akinwande
44 Vitali Klit
45 Vladmir Klit (old stork legs)
46 Chris Byrd
47 Jphn Ruiz
48 Hasim Rahman
49 Roy Jones Jr
50 Lamon Brewster
51 Nicolai Valuev
52 Siarhwi Liakhovich
53 Oleg Maskaev
54 Shannon Briggs
55 Ruslan Chagaev
55 Sultan Ibragimov
56 Sam Peter
57 David Haye
58 Alexander Povetkin
59 Bermane Stiverne
60 CharlesMartin
61 Lucas Browne
62 Anthony Joshua
63 Joseph Parker
64 Manuel Charr
65 Andy Ruiz
66 Trevor Bryan
67 Oleksander Usyk?
68 Daniel Dubois


Out of 80 + champions listed, I have4 Joe losing only to:

Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Louis
Liston
Clay
Foreman
Tyson

I have question marks behind the names of Usyk, Bowe, Holyfield, Mercer.

As anyone should be able to see, Joe is an AT upper class man in the heavyweight division.

I've highlighted who I think either would beat or have a chance of beating Frazier while at their very best. Some of these guys, like Foreman are just the wrong style for Joe in my opinion. Others like Holyfield would bring an aggression and reliance that could cause Joe big problems.