Fighters who fouled and got away with it

[GhostofDempsey]

To his last DQ against Sharkey in '26 I think he got himself DQed to avoid the KO. By most accounts he was getting beat up.

I think we all pretty much agree that was what Tyson was doing in Holyfield II.

But it is one of those things that can never really rise above conjecture.

He did put Firpo down in '24 with a cheap shot. Hitting on the break the referee refused to count.

Yeah, Wills was getting worked over pretty bad by Sharkey, and rather than take the inevitable knockout he fouled his way out by DQ. Two fights later he was DQ'd for hitting after the bell. A few years earlier he was DQ'd against Tate for hitting after the break. A couple of fights prior it ended in a no contest when his opponent fell to the canvas complaining of a foul below the belt.

[GhostofDempsey]

Right. And people present that day say he used bicycle tape, including his trainer whom he had a good relationship with throughout his life. It was described as a trick of the trade, so it goes along with what you are saying perfectly.

Only his trainer said that years later. Everyone else in attendance said it was legit. In fact, it wasn't until Kearns false claims of plaster of Paris years later that anyone ever questioned Dempsey's wraps.

[travestyny]

Only his trainer said that years later. Everyone else in attendance said it was legit. In fact, it wasn't until Kearns false claims of plaster of Paris years later that anyone ever questioned Dempsey's wraps.

Years later? From what I remember it was something like less than a year later that he said that.

And I thought also his wraps were being questioned early on. They must have been if De Forests' statement wasn't longer than 2 years later.

[QueensburyRules]

Right. And people present that day say he used bicycle tape, including his trainer whom he had a good relationship with throughout his life. It was described as a trick of the trade, so it goes along with what you are saying perfectly.

I don't agree with that exactly being a "clean" win if Willard had just that bit of gauze and Dempsey is wrapped up in bicycle tape that his trainer admit was the reason he cut Willard up.

- - There were no regulations regarding wraps or gloves. Camps agreed to conditions at the signings.

[travestyny]

- - There were no regulations regarding wraps or gloves. Camps agreed to conditions at the signings.

They agreed to gauze and just a bit of tape to hold it in place. That was also Toledo's rules, if I remember correctly.

In any event, I never stated it was illegal. But I don't think it was on the up and up. Don't think Willard would have expected it either.

[QueensburyRules]

They agreed to gauze and just a bit of tape to hold it in place. That was also Toledo's rules, if I remember correctly.

In any event, I never stated it was illegal. But I don't think it was on the up and up. Don't think Willard would have expected it either.

- - What was the standard tape presumably found in most pharmacies and/or General Merchandise stores found in every town in America back then?

Modern fighters of my generation were using bog standard medical cloth tape used to make casts for broken limbs, hence the nickname for boxing wraps as "casts."

I know of recently they have moved to a higher quality, presumably plastic tape around the lacing that prevents ye aulde loose flapping tape time out for repairs stoppages.

Bicycle tape used for the dropdown handlebars of racing style bikes of my day was just a colored version of medical cloth cast tape. Plastic tapes would make the handgrips dangerously slippery.

[StarshipTrooper]

not bashing any of these guys, since boxing was rough back in the day, but lets make a case to point them out, ill start with a few:

1) Foreman pushing Frazier constantly not allowing him to fight inside, and throwing kidney shots his entire career

2) Dempsey low blows Sharkey and immediately left hooks his jaw before the ref can call anything.

3) Joe Louis hits Schmelings back, breaks his back ribs. Schmeling screams in pain and before he realizes it, is hammered with a brutal right hand. Schmeling got exrays of his back after the fight and still had pain as an old man from it.

4) Max Baer killed a man but essentially suckered him with his hardest right hand. Ref didnt call time, but it was a Mayweather Ortiz situation. Baer felt terrible after this.

5) Duran repeatedly thigh punches Moore in the clinch and sinks a right thumb deep into Moores eye, shutting it almost instantly. This hindered his vision early and allowed Duran to hit him easily all night.

6) Marciano throws brutal rabbit punches

Duran also laced Moore repeatedly, wasn't even trying to hide it.

[Ivich]

Fritzie Zivic, the undisputed King of Dirty Fighting.

In the modern era, Bernard Hopkins and Eusebio Pedroza were no angels in the ring. Joel Casamayor as well.

Fritzie was never dsq'd.

[Tatabanya]

Fritzie was never dsq'd.

Exactly.

In fact, the thread title reads "Fighters who fouled and got away with it"

[Ivich]

Right. And people present that day say he used bicycle tape, including his trainer whom he had a good relationship with throughout his life. It was described as a trick of the trade, so it goes along with what you are saying perfectly.

I don't agree with that exactly being a "clean" win if Willard had just that bit of gauze and Dempsey is wrapped up in bicycle tape that his trainer admit was the reason he cut Willard up.

Can we see the quotes that say this? Dempsey's hands were wrapped in the presence of Willard's second by Jimmy DeForest. You can feel electrical/bicycle tape on hands.