Disadvantages Of Being Big

[JAB5239]

Energy

I spoke to it prior but it's buried in a long post.

It is just as impossible for a larger man to recoup his energy at the same rate as a smaller man as it is for a smaller man to somehow more mass than a man who is larger in every dimension. The only way it's close is if it's close period. 5'10 168 and 5'11" 170 are basically the same and so you can have a stronger small man and high energy big man in that scenario but what y'all really mean is serious size disparity and in that regard HWs suck wind quickly because they have to.

There will never actually be an actual HW who can for real, no hyperbole, actually move like a MW. They haven't the energy to do it.

There will never actually be a MW who can move HWs around like they're a HW. They haven't the mass to do it.

These advantages are intrinsic and unbreakable.

Bare knuckle is the best place to look for this. Ancients gave such little ****s to size they hardly ever recorded those types of descriptions.

We have weight divisions so that the HW champion can be big, because big is marketable.



Been more pitchers over average size in MLB than under. They all got promoted well by MLB. The small men have better stats and get less promotion. This isn;t something exclusive to our sport. Big mean, more than anyone else in boxing, require the time limits to win. Otherwise they are fodder for the smaller. No one evolved, there's no special genes that did not exist and if you think food is magic I guess you can attribute it to food or medicine, but, the rise of diet and health care is not seen in the champions. The rise of time limits is.

I agree with your post almost wholeheartedly. But there was one heavyweight in his prime that not only moved like a middleweight, he was probably faster than most middleweight. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about.

[Nash out]

Yeah ignorance on your part. Not even trolling you, I think you are ignorant on this topic - as in you don’t know what you are talking about and lack information.

what makes Fury so skillful? I think hes got average skills in a bad era. I didnt see any masterful boxing against Wlad.

Timing, orthodox, southpaw, understanding of distance, range, punch variation. Ali did nothing Fury can't do, clown. Nash out.

[DeeMoney]

Foremost, we need to understand that this discussion needs to isolate the variable of size vs lack of it; otherwise you will just get people cherry-picking examples of fighters who had strengths or weaknesses then attaching all those fighters of similar size. Hopefully that doesnt happen too much.

That being written, being bigger usually means a higher center of gravity, which in turn means it would take longer to change direction- compared to a fighter of similar relative muscle composition.
Additionally, longer limbs means longer time to fully extend and contract those limbs, so longer to get punches off (and yes I know there are long armed punchers who have been quicker than short armed punchers- please read my opening in that regards and isolate the variable). This is in line with the recent Marciano advantages post.
Being bigger also means carrying more weight around, which would have a negative impact on stamina. It also means you are a bigger target to hit, most likely to the body.

[them_apples]

I think the easy answer is size is only one factor among many.

all things considered equal, its just another attribute that could work for a fighter and might not. Plenty of big men have been crushed by smaller men. Even a few months back Joshua just got taxed by a cruiserweight.

yet here we are, arguing that size means everything.

heart matters a whole lot more. If a fighter comes to win and truly believes it. Not many fighters have heart though.

one of the last lionhearted fighters was Pacquiao. It wasn’t so much his speed that made him great, it was his heart. You knew he wasn’t gonna lay down and give up, you knew he came to win. Nobody ever writes him off because of it.

then we have a fighter like Rocky, known for his tremendous willpower - and he’s being written off. Lol. Classic normies. Little puppy dogs.

[Bundana]

I think the easy answer is size is only one factor among many.

all things considered equal, its just another attribute that could work for a fighter and might not. Plenty of big men have been crushed by smaller men. Even a few months back Joshua just got taxed by a cruiserweight.

yet here we are, arguing that size means everything.

heart matters a whole lot more. If a fighter comes to win and truly believes it. Not many fighters have heart though.

one of the last lionhearted fighters was Pacquiao. It wasn't so much his speed that made him great, it was his heart. You knew he wasn't gonna lay down and give up, you knew he came to win. Nobody ever writes him off because of it.

then we have a fighter like Rocky, known for his tremendous willpower - and he's being written off. Lol. Classic normies. Little puppy dogs.

Not many of today's fighters have heart... really?? And you base that on what... on all the fighters we see quitting, without giving their best?

Do you think the average fighter 100 years ago exhibited more heart in the ring than today?

[Ivich]

We all know some advantages of being big. And so does nature, since mating is effectively based around size. In nature, the larger specimen usually mates, while the smaller slinks off.

There is a major disadvantage, too, which is usually given short shrift. The disadvantage does not show up in nature's mating wars, which end quickly anyway for purposes of survival. This is the extra weight that has to be carried constantly. People usually write this off, until it is lost among the bonuses for being big. But carrying extra weight is not a bonus in itself, though it may yield some advantages.

It is strange to contemplate that boxing is perhaps the sport where size disparity is least important, AS LONG AS THE COMBATANTS FALL WITHIN PARTICULAR PERCENTILES.

A 7 foot man is supposed to do extraordinarily well in boxing, according to size-pundits. No 7 foot man ever has though. They have been mediocre, to the man. Fury is the only man above or equal to 6'9" that has done well.

In Fury we at least see a man using his size correctly to conserve his strength and win the fight later. Of course, opponents let him do that. Marciano wouldn't.

With Marciano you are assured that it is best to win the fight as early as you can. He wants nothing more than to get you into the late rounds. It would necessarily change the game plan of a Fury to fight a Marciano. There are not going to be any coasting rounds where you stick out your glove to the top of his head illegally and fend Rocky off that way. Every round, the bigger man will have to fight and fight hard. He isn't used to that. Galoots do not want to fight that way at all. It plays right into their Achilles heel. Big men want to conserve their strength, find the right opportunity, and get you kayoat. Wilder was an exception to that. Of course, he fought like an amateur. He actually already has the right approach to beat Marciano. The galoots who want to bide their time are the ones who could be in for a surprise, if they do not figure out the correct strategy.

With that size on your side, you go out to KO Rocky right away. No messing around, no feeling out. If you fail, you will probably be kayoat.

I don't know who would win. I only believe it would be a much better fight than size-pundits think. Fury probably does not have the power to KO Marciano quickly.

Neither Fury or Wilder would want to change a thing about the way they fight, for an opponent who is a mere 5'11". Wilder would come right out to KO, and Fury would come right out to play around and show off.

Wilder would have a better chance against Rocky. Styles make fights.

When was Marciano ever tested against these bigger men of any class? How do we know he could weather the punches of a Wilder,.Foreman, Liston,Lewis? How do we know he would not be the one to flag first trying to make the fight against prime big men with heavy duty power?
Struggling to extricate himself from the arms of men 40lbs plus heavier?
It's okay to be demonstrating superior stamina against 37,38,39, and 40 year olds.That is to be expected is it not?

If you have the size on your side you have options.
You can box,gradually wearing your man down while scoring points with your jab and wait for the opportunity to unload your artillery later.This is the Wlad style.
You can allow him to come to you, tagging him on the way in then smother his tiny frame when he gets inside . The way Lewis did with Tua.The way Wlad did with Povetkin, two opponents considerably bigger than Rocky.
Or you can tag him at range,and,when he gets close, push him back out to your range.The way Foreman did with Frazier.
Whenever Marciano's name comes up ,there is always a lot of talk of how he has the advantage because those facing him would have to punch down.News Flash its just as awkward trying to punch up all the time, especially if you're 8 inches smaller and you arms are 12 inches shorter!
Can you tell us how Marciano would stop Fury fighting the way he wants to ?
What tactics exactly would he employ to stop him?
Size certainly isn't everything . but at some point it is going to matter all things being equal ie comparable ability and age .After that point has been reached and exceeded the bigger the discrepancy in size the more advantage the bigger man has.With of course the caveat that the bigger man is co-ordinated. With the very rudimentary skill he had does anyone suppose .
Valuev would have gotten as far as he did had he been 6 feet two and 200lbs instead of seven foot two and 300lbs?
Smaller heavies usually have quickness over their bigger foes this coupled with litheness and enough power to get the attention of anyone,eg Jack Dempsey. However ,when you do not possess that quickness ,that speed of both hand and foot ,and you are fighting a guy that much bigger than yourself,a guy who can actually fight,who is both fit and prime , not some huge oaf who is just an oversized punching bag ,you are really up against it
That is basic physics,and the reason we have weight divisions in boxing.
Otherwise, if it was an asset being 5 feet ten and 185lbs,with a 68 inch reach,men that size would be jumping up from the lower divisions ,challenging and being successful against todays giant heavies. Beterbiev would be calling out Fury and Wilder because that's where the money is.
But they aren't ,and he isnt!

[tokon]

Then it's either ******ity or ignorance. Nash out - worldwide respected boxing expert.

Probably a bit of both. Thanks.

[Nash out]

Probably a bit of both. Thanks.

Happy to help. Nash is in many ways, a mentor to all. Nash out.

[tokon]

Happy to help. Nash is in many ways, a mentor to all. Nash out.

Thank you for your sacrifice. Appreciated.

[Nash out]

Thank you for your sacrifice. Appreciated.

It's all part of being a Boxingscene hall of famer, Tokon. Nash out.