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  • #21
    Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post
    Foremost, we need to understand that this discussion needs to isolate the variable of size vs lack of it; otherwise you will just get people cherry-picking examples of fighters who had strengths or weaknesses then attaching all those fighters of similar size. Hopefully that doesnt happen too much.

    That being written, being bigger usually means a higher center of gravity, which in turn means it would take longer to change direction- compared to a fighter of similar relative muscle composition.
    Additionally, longer limbs means longer time to fully extend and contract those limbs, so longer to get punches off (and yes I know there are long armed punchers who have been quicker than short armed punchers- please read my opening in that regards and isolate the variable). This is in line with the recent Marciano advantages post.
    Being bigger also means carrying more weight around, which would have a negative impact on stamina. It also means you are a bigger target to hit, most likely to the body.
    - - Mainly bigger means U usually smashing up little guys, hence weight divisions.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

      - - Mainly bigger means U usually smashing up little guys, hence weight divisions.
      Queen, it's your charge, the Great Nash. Mentor Nash has just noticed that you have only given out 2 likes on here. This confirms to Nash that you are currently a selfish person, not wanting to give out anything or share the love. More homework from Nash is for you to start giving out more likes to others, Nash wants you at 10 within the next 5 days. Nash is not the only ATG around these parts, start giving out some respect to the others as well.

      You have received 766 likes, you need to start giving back to the boxingscene community for their hardwork and dedication in making this place the place to be for boxing fans. Nash is here for you and takes their mentorship role very seriously. You're rebelling, Nash gets it, you're lashing out, Nash can take it, but understand, all that Nash does is from the heart, and even when Nash is firm, even seemingly harsh, Nash is fair, and all about the greater good, the bigger picture. Nash out.
      Last edited by Nash out; 05-01-2022, 08:29 PM.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by them_apples View Post
        I think the easy answer is size is only one factor among many.

        all things considered equal, its just another attribute that could work for a fighter and might not. Plenty of big men have been crushed by smaller men. Even a few months back Joshua just got taxed by a cruiserweight.

        yet here we are, arguing that size means everything.

        heart matters a whole lot more. If a fighter comes to win and truly believes it. Not many fighters have heart though.

        one of the last lionhearted fighters was Pacquiao. It wasn't so much his speed that made him great, it was his heart. You knew he wasn't gonna lay down and give up, you knew he came to win. Nobody ever writes him off because of it.

        then we have a fighter like Rocky, known for his tremendous willpower - and he’s being written off. Lol. Classic normies. Little puppy dogs.
        I asked you about this in post #15, but got no reaction. So I'll try again... as I'm really, really curious to hear, where you get this from?

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        • #24
          Originally posted by them_apples View Post

          yeah seriously, I wanna hear a list from all these people claiming he’s a master boxer? In my opinion hes imitating master boxers but only half understands what he’s doing because hes probably on his own. You can see hes actively trying to improve his skills though so he is a thinking man. But his skills really only look good against Wilder because Wilder essentially has no boxing pedigree whatsoever.

          its another example
          of a contemporary fighter randomly
          waking up and watching a few old tapes and suddenly figures out we have been gaslit this entire time. The guys hes fighting don't even know what hes doing so of course it works. Wilder literally hobbles around on stilts, chicken winging and telegraphing everything, even the expression on his face is a telegraph. All his pro fights did was build his confidence so he doesn’t tire as bad anymore. Remember his first 40 fights were against club fighters at small venues. Then he’s in the gym doing high intensity upperbody strength workouts while neglecting his lower body strength (his balance is terrible). I wonder if they realize his weak legs force him to plant his feet which is also probably giving him that power while taking away any defensive capability or mobility he needs.You know old school fighters meticulously worked on sitting and moving so they could transition on the fly. Chavez sr was pretty good at this.
          Its in his feinting... You have to be damn good to sell a feint. He feinted so well against Klitsko that Vlad could not throw a punch, thats a lot of skill. He also has developed a fantastic multi-purpose jab. Fury also is a very accurate puncher. Finally, his footwork. Fury has a sense of where he is moving to, and how he wants to get there at all times. He has those skills because like the fighters of old, he started fighting when he was a kid and was laced up on the subtle things that make a difference.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Nash out View Post

            Queen, it's your charge, the Great Nash. Mentor Nash has just noticed that you have only given out 2 likes on here. This confirms to Nash that you are currently a selfish person, not wanting to give out anything or share the love. More homework from Nash is for you to start giving out more likes to others, Nash wants you at 10 within the next 5 days. Nash is not the only ATG around these parts, start giving out some respect to the others as well.

            You have received 766 likes, you need to start giving back to the boxingscene community for their hardwork and dedication in making this place the place to be for boxing fans. Nash is here for you and takes their mentorship role very seriously. You're rebelling, Nash gets it, you're lashing out, Nash can take it, but understand, all that Nash does is from the heart, and even when Nash is firm, even seemingly harsh, Nash is fair, and all about the greater good, the bigger picture. Nash out.
            I know Queen B will rise to the occasion! I wrote him in as a contestant for the Gerital man of the month!
            Nash out Nash out likes this.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

              Its in his feinting... You have to be damn good to sell a feint. He feinted so well against Klitsko that Vlad could not throw a punch, thats a lot of skill. He also has developed a fantastic multi-purpose jab. Fury also is a very accurate puncher. Finally, his footwork. Fury has a sense of where he is moving to, and how he wants to get there at all times. He has those skills because like the fighters of old, he started fighting when he was a kid and was laced up on the subtle things that make a difference.
              When people are not seeing Fury's skills, it's one of two things. 1. They do not understand boxing - This covers a lot of people on here. Or 2. A personal agenda against Tyson Fury, which again, covers a lot of people on here. Nash out.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Nash out View Post

                When people are not seeing Fury's skills, it's one of two things. 1. They do not understand boxing - This covers a lot of people on here. Or 2. A personal agenda against Tyson Fury, which again, covers a lot of people on here. Nash out.
                - - And of course the blubberized Brit who along with Deyonce and Whyte ducked AJ's American debut + other times to engage an unholy trinity of AJ ducker fights that U worship like the Holy Grail.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - And of course the blubberized Brit who along with Deyonce and Whyte ducked AJ's American debut + other times to engage an unholy trinity of AJ ducker fights that U worship like the Holy Grail.
                  Fury may have two azzes but you compare him to the robot?

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

                    Its in his feinting... You have to be damn good to sell a feint. He feinted so well against Klitsko that Vlad could not throw a punch, thats a lot of skill. He also has developed a fantastic multi-purpose jab. Fury also is a very accurate puncher. Finally, his footwork. Fury has a sense of where he is moving to, and how he wants to get there at all times. He has those skills because like the fighters of old, he started fighting when he was a kid and was laced up on the subtle things that make a difference.
                    he does do these things, but hes still in the stage where its imitated. Its not understood fully. If you watch Ali, hes doing all that and more but twice as efficiently. Alis jab is phenominally better, smooth start and acceleration, lazer velocity, releases separate from his body movement giving a multitude of micro feinting and rythmic options. His jab was so good he would land multiples at a time vs a limited fighter like Wepner. Wepner literally can’t time his jab. Ali himself said his jab was 25 years of work.
                    billeau2 billeau2 likes this.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Bundana View Post

                      I asked you about this in post #15, but got no reaction. So I'll try again... as I'm really, really curious to hear, where you get this from?
                      You got me, I can’t prove it, its an opinion. I can give my reasons for that opinion though.

                      Society, the governing rules and system (fighting was encouraged, fighters always attempted knockouts for the most part (based on footage) fighters all fought eachother, so competition is increased. One title and one money maker (champ) Fighters fought more frequently (I think so) and smaller gloves (in the 70s middleweight+ wore 8 oz). But overall just a keen observation of the best fighters of the day, seemed to be more competitive and put in more effort aka heart.

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