Disadvantages Of Being Big

[The Old LefHook]

We all know some advantages of being big. And so does nature, since mating is effectively based around size. In nature, the larger specimen usually mates, while the smaller slinks off.

There is a major disadvantage, too, which is usually given short shrift. The disadvantage does not show up in nature's mating wars, which end quickly anyway for purposes of survival. This is the extra weight that has to be carried constantly. People usually write this off, until it is lost among the bonuses for being big. But carrying extra weight is not a bonus in itself, though it may yield some advantages.

It is strange to contemplate that boxing is perhaps the sport where size disparity is least important, AS LONG AS THE COMBATANTS FALL WITHIN PARTICULAR PERCENTILES.

A 7 foot man is supposed to do extraordinarily well in boxing, according to size-pundits. No 7 foot man ever has though. They have been mediocre, to the man. Fury is the only man above or equal to 6'9" that has done well.

In Fury we at least see a man using his size correctly to conserve his strength and win the fight later. Of course, opponents let him do that. Marciano wouldn't.

With Marciano you are assured that it is best to win the fight as early as you can. He wants nothing more than to get you into the late rounds. It would necessarily change the game plan of a Fury to fight a Marciano. There are not going to be any coasting rounds where you stick out your glove to the top of his head illegally and fend Rocky off that way. Every round, the bigger man will have to fight and fight hard. He isn't used to that. Galoots do not want to fight that way at all. It plays right into their Achilles heel. Big men want to conserve their strength, find the right opportunity, and get you kayoat. Wilder was an exception to that. Of course, he fought like an amateur. He actually already has the right approach to beat Marciano. The galoots who want to bide their time are the ones who could be in for a surprise, if they do not figure out the correct strategy.

With that size on your side, you go out to KO Rocky right away. No messing around, no feeling out. If you fail, you will probably be kayoat.

I don't know who would win. I only believe it would be a much better fight than size-pundits think. Fury probably does not have the power to KO Marciano quickly.

Neither Fury or Wilder would want to change a thing about the way they fight, for an opponent who is a mere 5'11". Wilder would come right out to KO, and Fury would come right out to play around and show off.

Wilder would have a better chance against Rocky. Styles make fights.

[JAB5239]

We all know some advantages of being big. And so does nature, since mating is effectively based around size. In nature, the larger specimen usually mates, while the smaller slinks off.

There is a major disadvantage, too, which is usually given short shrift. The disadvantage does not show up in nature's mating wars, which end quickly anyway for purposes of survival. This is the extra weight that has to be carried constantly. People usually write this off, until it is lost among the bonuses for being big. But carrying extra weight is not a bonus in itself, though it may yield some advantages.

It is strange to contemplate that boxing is perhaps the sport where size disparity is least important, AS LONG AS THE COMBATANTS FALL WITHIN PARTICULAR PERCENTILES.

A 7 foot man is supposed to do extraordinarily well in boxing, according to size-pundits. No 7 foot man ever has though. They have been mediocre, to the man. Fury is the only man above or equal to 6'9" that has done well.

In Fury we at least see a man using his size correctly to conserve his strength and win the fight later. Of course, opponents let him do that. Marciano wouldn't.

With Marciano you are assured that it is best to win the fight as early as you can. He wants nothing more than to get you into the late rounds. It would necessarily change the game plan of a Fury to fight a Marciano. There are not going to be any coasting rounds where you stick out your glove to the top of his head illegally and fend Rocky off that way. Every round, the bigger man will have to fight and fight hard. He isn't used to that. Galoots do not want to fight that way at all. It plays right into their Achilles heel. Big men want to conserve their strength, find the right opportunity, and get you kayoat. Wilder was an exception to that. Of course, he fought like an amateur. He actually already has the right approach to beat Marciano. The galoots who want to bide their time are the ones who could be in for a surprise, if they do not figure out the correct strategy.

With that size on your side, you go out to KO Rocky right away. No messing around, no feeling out. If you fail, you will probably be kayoat.

I don't know who would win. I only believe it would be a much better fight than size-pundits think. Fury probably does not have the power to KO Marciano quickly.

Neither Fury or Wilder would want to change a thing about the way they fight, for an opponent who is a mere 5'11". Wilder would come right out to KO, and Fury would come right out to play around and show off.

Wilder would have a better chance against Rocky. Styles make fights.

I agree Wilder has the better chance to KO Rocky. As far as disadvantages go running out of gas is at the top of the list in my opinion. Fury seems to be the exception. He slows down, but most fighter do in the late rounds. But he always seems to have something left in the tank. He is of course the exception as noted. Most big heavies historically have been unable to do that. Vitaly Klitschko always seemed to have a good reserve as well though not quite as big as Fury and he was running on fumes against Lewis (but so was Lennox) when they fought. Big guys don't like to be pressured. If they can control the action and pace they look good. But most, if they don't get that stoppage by the mid rounds, they fade and look vulnerable only surviving due to size. As always there will be exceptions. But I think this I'd the scenario more often than not.

[them_apples]

We all know some advantages of being big. And so does nature, since mating is effectively based around size. In nature, the larger specimen usually mates, while the smaller slinks off.

There is a major disadvantage, too, which is usually given short shrift. The disadvantage does not show up in nature's mating wars, which end quickly anyway for purposes of survival. This is the extra weight that has to be carried constantly. People usually write this off, until it is lost among the bonuses for being big. But carrying extra weight is not a bonus in itself, though it may yield some advantages.

It is strange to contemplate that boxing is perhaps the sport where size disparity is least important, AS LONG AS THE COMBATANTS FALL WITHIN PARTICULAR PERCENTILES.

A 7 foot man is supposed to do extraordinarily well in boxing, according to size-pundits. No 7 foot man ever has though. They have been mediocre, to the man. Fury is the only man above or equal to 6'9" that has done well.

In Fury we at least see a man using his size correctly to conserve his strength and win the fight later. Of course, opponents let him do that. Marciano wouldn't.

With Marciano you are assured that it is best to win the fight as early as you can. He wants nothing more than to get you into the late rounds. It would necessarily change the game plan of a Fury to fight a Marciano. There are not going to be any coasting rounds where you stick out your glove to the top of his head illegally and fend Rocky off that way. Every round, the bigger man will have to fight and fight hard. He isn't used to that. Galoots do not want to fight that way at all. It plays right into their Achilles heel. Big men want to conserve their strength, find the right opportunity, and get you kayoat. Wilder was an exception to that. Of course, he fought like an amateur. He actually already has the right approach to beat Marciano. The galoots who want to bide their time are the ones who could be in for a surprise, if they do not figure out the correct strategy.

With that size on your side, you go out to KO Rocky right away. No messing around, no feeling out. If you fail, you will probably be kayoat.

I don't know who would win. I only believe it would be a much better fight than size-pundits think. Fury probably does not have the power to KO Marciano quickly.

Neither Fury or Wilder would want to change a thing about the way they fight, for an opponent who is a mere 5'11". Wilder would come right out to KO, and Fury would come right out to play around and show off.

Wilder would have a better chance against Rocky. Styles make fights.

I wouldnt give Wilder a chance in hell ( I know this wasnt your point). He doesnt have the tool set to get rid of Marciano or the defense to know what to do once Rocky starts breaking his ribs. Wilder won’t have the skill to land a perfect shot and even if he does im not convinced he sleeps Marciano. Further more, while Wilder is tall, he weighed no more than the Joe Louis Rocky fought.

when Rocky hit the canvas he was set up and countered. Wilder is just gonna load up with no finesse, something the 50s would have prepared him for while moving up the ranks early in his career.

Fury can move and jab, but once again, what tools does he have that can really do much outside of leaning on Rocky. Hes a big fat target. I haven’t seen Fury display any masterful boxing skills outside of when he fights Wilder.

the fight might look a bit wild and reckless, but Marciano is just better than both these guys in the big picture.

[tokon]

"I haven’t seen Fury display any masterful boxing skills . . . "

Me neither! Apart from size I really see nothing exceptional about him at all - and that's a very interesting perspective from TOLH. Thanks.

[QueensburyRules]

We all know some advantages of being big. And so does nature, since mating is effectively based around size. In nature, the larger specimen usually mates, while the smaller slinks off.

There is a major disadvantage, too, which is usually given short shrift. The disadvantage does not show up in nature's mating wars, which end quickly anyway for purposes of survival. This is the extra weight that has to be carried constantly. People usually write this off, until it is lost among the bonuses for being big. But carrying extra weight is not a bonus in itself, though it may yield some advantages.

It is strange to contemplate that boxing is perhaps the sport where size disparity is least important, AS LONG AS THE COMBATANTS FALL WITHIN PARTICULAR PERCENTILES.

A 7 foot man is supposed to do extraordinarily well in boxing, according to size-pundits. No 7 foot man ever has though. They have been mediocre, to the man. Fury is the only man above or equal to 6'9" that has done well.

In Fury we at least see a man using his size correctly to conserve his strength and win the fight later. Of course, opponents let him do that. Marciano wouldn't.

With Marciano you are assured that it is best to win the fight as early as you can. He wants nothing more than to get you into the late rounds. It would necessarily change the game plan of a Fury to fight a Marciano. There are not going to be any coasting rounds where you stick out your glove to the top of his head illegally and fend Rocky off that way. Every round, the bigger man will have to fight and fight hard. He isn't used to that. Galoots do not want to fight that way at all. It plays right into their Achilles heel. Big men want to conserve their strength, find the right opportunity, and get you kayoat. Wilder was an exception to that. Of course, he fought like an amateur. He actually already has the right approach to beat Marciano. The galoots who want to bide their time are the ones who could be in for a surprise, if they do not figure out the correct strategy.

With that size on your side, you go out to KO Rocky right away. No messing around, no feeling out. If you fail, you will probably be kayoat.

I don't know who would win. I only believe it would be a much better fight than size-pundits think. Fury probably does not have the power to KO Marciano quickly.

Neither Fury or Wilder would want to change a thing about the way they fight, for an opponent who is a mere 5'11". Wilder would come right out to KO, and Fury would come right out to play around and show off.

Wilder would have a better chance against Rocky. Styles make fights.

- - Nature abhors a vacuum, so obviously Nature has put the disadvantages of being Leffy front and foremost in that giant sucking background noise.

Usually Leffys gonna have a size inferiority complex over most others, hence U duncery.

[The Old LefHook]

I wouldnt give Wilder a chance in hell ( I know this wasnt your point). He doesnt have the tool set to get rid of Marciano or the defense to know what to do once Rocky starts breaking his ribs. Wilder won’t have the skill to land a perfect shot and even if he does im not convinced he sleeps Marciano. Further more, while Wilder is tall, he weighed no more than the Joe Louis Rocky fought.

when Rocky hit the canvas he was set up and countered. Wilder is just gonna load up with no finesse, something the 50s would have prepared him for while moving up the ranks early in his career.

Fury can move and jab, but once again, what tools does he have that can really do much outside of leaning on Rocky. Hes a big fat target. I haven’t seen Fury display any masterful boxing skills outside of when he fights Wilder.

the fight might look a bit wild and reckless, but Marciano is just better than both these guys in the big picture.

We are in the business of taking opinions here.

[Marchegiano]

Energy

I spoke to it prior but it's buried in a long post.

It is just as impossible for a larger man to recoup his energy at the same rate as a smaller man as it is for a smaller man to somehow more mass than a man who is larger in every dimension. The only way it's close is if it's close period. 5'10 168 and 5'11" 170 are basically the same and so you can have a stronger small man and high energy big man in that scenario but what y'all really mean is serious size disparity and in that regard HWs suck wind quickly because they have to.

There will never actually be an actual HW who can for real, no hyperbole, actually move like a MW. They haven't the energy to do it.

There will never actually be a MW who can move HWs around like they're a HW. They haven't the mass to do it.

These advantages are intrinsic and unbreakable.

Bare knuckle is the best place to look for this. Ancients gave such little ****s to size they hardly ever recorded those types of descriptions.

We have weight divisions so that the HW champion can be big, because big is marketable.



Been more pitchers over average size in MLB than under. They all got promoted well by MLB. The small men have better stats and get less promotion. This isn;t something exclusive to our sport. Big mean, more than anyone else in boxing, require the time limits to win. Otherwise they are fodder for the smaller. No one evolved, there's no special genes that did not exist and if you think food is magic I guess you can attribute it to food or medicine, but, the rise of diet and health care is not seen in the champions. The rise of time limits is.

[Nash out]

"I haven’t seen Fury display any masterful boxing skills . . . "

Me neither! Apart from size I really see nothing exceptional about him at all - and that's a very interesting perspective from TOLH. Thanks.

Then it's either ******ity or ignorance. Nash out - worldwide respected boxing expert.

[them_apples]

"I haven’t seen Fury display any masterful boxing skills . . . "

Me neither! Apart from size I really see nothing exceptional about him at all - and that's a very interesting perspective from TOLH. Thanks.

yeah seriously, I wanna hear a list from all these people claiming he’s a master boxer? In my opinion hes imitating master boxers but only half understands what he’s doing because hes probably on his own. You can see hes actively trying to improve his skills though so he is a thinking man. But his skills really only look good against Wilder because Wilder essentially has no boxing pedigree whatsoever.

its another example
of a contemporary fighter randomly
waking up and watching a few old tapes and suddenly figures out we have been gaslit this entire time. The guys hes fighting don't even know what hes doing so of course it works. Wilder literally hobbles around on stilts, chicken winging and telegraphing everything, even the expression on his face is a telegraph. All his pro fights did was build his confidence so he doesn’t tire as bad anymore. Remember his first 40 fights were against club fighters at small venues. Then he’s in the gym doing high intensity upperbody strength workouts while neglecting his lower body strength (his balance is terrible). I wonder if they realize his weak legs force him to plant his feet which is also probably giving him that power while taking away any defensive capability or mobility he needs.You know old school fighters meticulously worked on sitting and moving so they could transition on the fly. Chavez sr was pretty good at this.

[them_apples]

Then it's either ******ity or ignorance. Nash out - worldwide respected boxing expert.

Yeah ignorance on your part. Not even trolling you, I think you are ignorant on this topic - as in you don’t know what you are talking about and lack information.

what makes Fury so skillful? I think hes got average skills in a bad era. I didnt see any masterful boxing against Wlad.