Fury as an ATG

[Nash out]

Of course - but totally irrelevant to the complaint of my post. Issue is 'decorum.'

Now that you got that knee jerk response out of your system - maybe address my post. In the negative if you like.

Fury's resume can be excellent. Wlad and Wilder x2/x3 are elite wins, sure people can throw excuses around as always, but they are, and if he adds Usyk, assuming Usyk beats Joshua, btw, this is a fight I will downgrade Fury on if he avoids it, then if Fury wins, that will have 3 elite opponents on resume - Wlad, Wilder, Usyk, and not that many guys have 3 elite guys on their resume. Frazier for example, had 1, Ali, and lost the trilogy to him anyway. I think often resumes from the past get overrated because B/C level opposition get added on like they were A-class, similar to if I added on Hammer or Seferi for Fury.

If Fury beats Usyk, then his resume holds up as elite, that is Nash's view. I'd prefer if he stayed on and fought more, but Fury is a family man and his wife seems to want Him out of the sport, which is understandable, but Usyk has to happen, no excuses, and if Fury avoids that, then even Nash, as his biggest fan, will hold that against him. Nash out.

[mrbig1]

All I can say is I'm not there yet.

[QueensburyRules]

WARNING: Bad mouthing Fury below.

The problem with Fury was the same problem with Holmes, he doesn't have the body we want our HW Champions to have.

He doesn't look like the baddest man on the planet, he looks like Shrek.

Like chubby Wiile Mehan being Dempsey's nemesis, or Two Ton putting Louis on the canvas for a moment, or the bartender Wepner doing the same with Ali. We love the freaks and they can have their moments, but they're not suspose to represent the fight game.

Fury looks goofy and it's bad decorum. Needs to tighten up his belly. Show respect to the title he holds and do his training even if he doesn't need.

The Gypsy thing played well in his rise to the championship, very romantic indeed but once you're at the top it is time to put on the purple and act and look the King.

- - Too late for all his most important dates.

Needed roids to stink out Wlad, ducked the rematch, ducked AJ multi $$$ multi x to fight inferiors for peanuts, so Blubber is officially past his sell date by now. Adioso and good night Irene.

[Willow The Wisp]

I feel bad for him tbh because my real honest opinion is the only good fights the man ever had was Wilder.

If I explained in detail for each guy this post would be very long, so instead I'll say this. I was hating on Wlad right here on BoxingScene before Joshua, Wilder and Fury were pros. I've hated on Whyte since I met him in the Joshua fight. Wallin only got a name from a cut, he's actually garbage. You can see me making fun of him on Youtube back when no one here gave enough ****s about Otto Wallin to respond to Wallin hate. Sefari....who TF even is that guy? Fury's pal? Chisora? Always been a fan in a sense, he's funny, but his boxing is garbage and I spoke to back when he fought Vitali. I can't think of anyone Fury's fought not named Wilder I wasn't already calling terrible.

Don't mistake me, this doesn't mean I have excuses for Tyson's performances. The opposite, I just wish he got more than Wilder. I don't see anything to brag about or get behind when I already declared his resume dog**** before he fought them. So, there's only Wilder for me and Tyson's really good. It's sad. He deserved a better era.

Not for nothin', but I've been listening to people say "This era sucks" for boxing, literally for more than 50 years! People who really follow the sport like you, sayingthis and reallt believing what they're saying. I'm not going to make any conclusions about why that is because I imagine multiple causes, but it is a very, very common thing, and no era is spared. Not a one. Weird, huh?

[JAB5239]

Not for nothin', but I've been listening to people say "This era sucks" for boxing, literally for more than 50 years! People who really follow the sport like you, sayingthis and reallt believing what they're saying. I'm not going to make any conclusions about why that is because I imagine multiple causes, but it is a very, very common thing, and no era is spared. Not a one. Weird, huh?

I think this era is better than the Wlad era. Guys are fighting one another more often and not circulating out of the top ten as quickly. Its also more exciting. Just my opinion of course.

[Willie Pep 229]

Fury's resume can be excellent. Wlad and Wilder x2/x3 are elite wins, sure people can throw excuses around as always, but they are, and if he adds Usyk, assuming Usyk beats Joshua, btw, this is a fight I will downgrade Fury on if he avoids it, then if Fury wins, that will have 3 elite opponents on resume - Wlad, Wilder, Usyk, and not that many guys have 3 elite guys on their resume. Frazier for example, had 1, Ali, and lost the trilogy to him anyway. I think often resumes from the past get overrated because B/C level opposition get added on like they were A-class, similar to if I added on Hammer or Seferi for Fury.

If Fury beats Usyk, then his resume holds up as elite, that is Nash's view. I'd prefer if he stayed on and fought more, but Fury is a family man and his wife seems to want Him out of the sport, which is understandable, but Usyk has to happen, no excuses, and if Fury avoids that, then even Nash, as his biggest fan, will hold that against him. Nash out.

Still missing my point but never mind I want to give you one . . . That uppercut was beautiful. . . I suspect that punch puts every ATG on the canvas, some would get up and continuing fighting others wouldn't. But everyone goes down.

Those long ape like arms with all that size behind it; Whyte being on the extended end of the punch. Perfect punch. No one walks through that punch.

BTW Again, my complaint is decorum not prowess. But never mind.

[Nash out]

Still missing my point but never mind I want to give you one . . . That uppercut was beautiful. . . I suspect that punch puts every ATG on the canvas, some would get up and continuing fighting others wouldn't. But everyone goes down.

Those long ape like arms with all that size behind it; Whyte being on the extended end of the punch. Perfect punch. No one walks through that punch.

BTW Again, my complaint is decorum not prowess. But never mind.

Nash does not believe that Fury looks goofy, and loves his personality and ring entrances. When he started running to the ring with his team behind him, it was awesome. Nash considers Fury to be a massive character, and unlike any other modern day boxer. A stand out in what and how he does things. Ali was that of his day. I agree, everyone goes down from that. I likes the way Fury didn't show his cards too soon, He brought the short in when needed, unlike say a Chisora, who when his tactic is KO someone with big overhand right, he throws it from the first few seconds.

Some people just want to say Fury is only good cos of size, but no, he has an amazing boxing brain, and he has attributes that a man his size does not normally have. Then consider his composure under pressure and heavy-fire, the way he comes back from the brink, which everyone has to at some point, is mightily impressive. Nash out.

[Marchegiano]

Not for nothin', but I've been listening to people say "This era sucks" for boxing, literally for more than 50 years! People who really follow the sport like you, sayingthis and reallt believing what they're saying. I'm not going to make any conclusions about why that is because I imagine multiple causes, but it is a very, very common thing, and no era is spared. Not a one. Weird, huh?

That's similar but not quite. I'm just saying Wlad's era ******.

This era is fine by me. Tyson could have gathered a good resume with a little more than Wlad and Wilder, but since Wlad's era sucks and Wilder is just Wilder...that's not much. Whyte I just trashed because he's nothing but a contender.

[StarshipTrooper]

Not for nothin', but I've been listening to people say "This era sucks" for boxing, literally for more than 50 years! People who really follow the sport like you, sayingthis and reallt believing what they're saying. I'm not going to make any conclusions about why that is because I imagine multiple causes, but it is a very, very common thing, and no era is spared. Not a one. Weird, huh?

Or, you can actually do your own research instead of just blowing it off as just talk. Maybe try talking to Them_Apples about the actual skills that have been lost.

[Willow The Wisp]

Fury's resume can be excellent. Wlad and Wilder x2/x3 are elite wins, sure people can throw excuses around as always, but they are, and if he adds Usyk, assuming Usyk beats Joshua, btw, this is a fight I will downgrade Fury on if he avoids it, then if Fury wins, that will have 3 elite opponents on resume - Wlad, Wilder, Usyk, and not that many guys have 3 elite guys on their resume. Frazier for example, had 1, Ali, and lost the trilogy to him anyway. I think often resumes from the past get overrated because B/C level opposition get added on like they were A-class, similar to if I added on Hammer or Seferi for Fury.

If Fury beats Usyk, then his resume holds up as elite, that is Nash's view. I'd prefer if he stayed on and fought more, but Fury is a family man and his wife seems to want Him out of the sport, which is understandable, but Usyk has to happen, no excuses, and if Fury avoids that, then even Nash, as his biggest fan, will hold that against him. Nash out.

Ohhh, Ill bite.
I'm taking exception to your use of the term Elite. My trigger was the ascertain that Joe Frazier met and beat only one Elite opponent That doesn't mean that I disrespect you or your opinions (as) expressed on this forum. I don't. I'm just trying to get my head around how (often people much younger than I) apply this term. We know that the etymology for "Elite" is a variant of Latin eligere, meaning elected. Fine. Lets vote.
Today, there are 1084 Cruiserweight plus 1241 Heavyweight fighters active in the pro ranks over the last 365 days, totalling 2,325 big boys over 175 lbs fighting as professionals under the MOQ combat rules. In the span between 1965 - 1981 that number would land at approxinately 11,120 (Active during that 16 year bracket), according to my fuzzy math, using research tools. Using that figure, if we condensed to the best 1% of professional heavyweights, we arrive at 111 fighters, ready and able to rip your head off for disrespect. But why don't we go 1/10 of 1%. You want me to think that Eddie Machen, Buster Mathis, George Chuvalo, Oscar Bonavena, Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Ellis fail to meet your criteria for being elite? No, seriously.
Not picking on you. Don't want you to feel like I am. Boxing is hard work. That's why guys who want to fight go into MMA and earn nothing, with zero chances of ever making what top (if not Elite) boxers can make. The hill is too steep to climb in Boxing. But not so steep than only a Hall of Fame level guy gets to be respected by the fan.