Interesting things about Marcianos style

[Ivich]

Yeah he was told repeatedly that he was missing the point lol. Doesn't seem to sink in.

Regarding the proper use of the pads, that is correct. It leads to poor habits. When someone throws a punch through the target they do need to work balance properly... It is a reason why the old addage goes: "you get more tired missing punches than hitting the target."

Comic Relief.

[Ivich]

You're right, of course - we've all experienced fights, where we've been completely wrong. Where it turned out nothing, like we thought it would. I think Tyson would be too strong and hard-hitting for Marciano, but do I know for a fact, that he would flatten him inside a couple of rounds... no! Is it possible, that what Rocky brings to the table, is exactly what Tyson would have a hard time coping with? Personally, I don't see it - but yes, that's certainly a possibility.

Look, you're obviously someone who knows his boxing. You love the oldtimers, and that's fine. I do to - but that doesn't mean, I completely write off the precent, and think boxing today is total crap. Why can't we honour and admire the old fighters, for being the best in their time - without feeling it necessary to denigrate and belittle modern boxers? I don't get it!

No need to denigrate either the fighters of the past ,or the present.Just stick to the facts.For me Marciano has no advantages over Tyson ,he was a better infighter, but a hell of a lot slower,smaller ,and imo had worse defence,I also think Tyson had a better chin.Since that's my opinion ,and only mine
I have to pick Tyson to beat him if both were prime.

[QueensburyRules]

pulling your punches and arm punches are different. Pulling refers to not following through in order to bring the punch back as soon as possible. Its an amateur style based around landing as many as what you would call “punches” as possible. But they aren't real punches and theres no strategic value behind them.

arm punches refers to someone not putting much body weight behind their punches and mostly using just arms. The benefit is theres less telegraphing. The jab is almost always an arm punch in its standard form, which is why power punches and jabs are separated on the punch stats.

vitali is an arm puncher on all his shots accept the right cross. And stoppages aren't always KOs.

- - Nor deaths, but substantially brutal enough to pull the plug to protect boxing from completely maiming or killing someone.

Get over it. Public sparring is just a publicity artifice like the pad work U moan about. Smart teams privately train so other teams can't observe their gameplan.

U can count to 1 and maybe 2 and 3 but don't seem to understand promotional public appearances from private training.

[billeau2]

Yeah but you are missing the point. Modern pad work IS bad for boxing. The pad work routines of today are terrible for boxing and are really just for the camera. These days fighters are better at training than fighting. The padwork hes using was really a tool he used to help with Marcianos Balance. Nothing like the pad work you see today. Even floyds padwork was a mental focus test that people misinterpret.

padwork fighters pull their punches. They never follow through. They are tight. Hitting the pads hard is a different technique than hitting a human hard.

BTW another addage: And BOY have I seen this one at work teaching martial arts for over 40 years! It takes like 4 times longer to unlearn a bad habit than to learn how to do a movement/technique properly in the first place. Ive also experienced that one lol.

[billeau2]

- - Nor deaths, but substantially brutal enough to pull the plug to protect boxing from completely maiming or killing someone.

Get over it. Public sparring is just a publicity artifice like the pad work U moan about. Smart teams privately train so other teams can't observe their gameplan.

U can count to 1 and maybe 2 and 3 but don't seem to understand promotional public appearances from private training.

?? What are you on about? Are you sure your responding to the right poster? Or as you like to say Ginsburgh "what grade are U in?"

[QueensburyRules]

?? What are you on about? Are you sure your responding to the right poster? Or as you like to say Ginsburgh "what grade are U in?"

- - Obviously U PhewD ain't what I was responding to. How U studies on growing fur on Armadillos in Mexico coming along?

[billeau2]

- - Obviously U PhewD ain't what I was responding to. How U studies on growing fur on Armadillos in Mexico coming along?

ferget them armidilas, Im going to concentrate on flying turkeys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGFtV6-ALoQ&ab_channel=BrianHenigin

[Willie Pep 229]

ferget them armidilas, Im going to concentrate on flying turkeys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGFt...l=BrianHenigin

"Oh the humanity"

[The Old LefHook]

The greatest boxer ever had plenty of muscle, but was no muscleman. He had the hardest punch ever, generated by short arms. He took shots that would fell the largest ungulates. He broke the blood veins in opponents' arms.

[Ivich]

The greatest boxer ever had plenty of muscle, but was no muscleman. He had the hardest punch ever, generated by short arms. He took shots that would fell the largest ungulates. He broke the blood veins in opponents' arms.

Broke no blood vessels, that story came about because Lastarza went into hospital after their 2nd fight.
Roland in a Ring interview stated he had been troubled with bone chips in both elbows for some time.After the fight he decided to have them removed. Marciano had a good chin but I don't think it was in anyway extraordinary.Walcott was a good puncher,an ATG one? I don't think so.
Moore was a great puncher at LHVY and a good third of his ko's were over dross.and or middles and super middles.
How many top all time punchers did Rocky actually face to get this rep?
Who measured Marciano's punch to arrive at the conclusion that he was the hardest puncher ever?
He was an attrition puncher like Frazier,a grinder.
Lastarza,Charles, Moore,Layne all said they were hit harder by other fighters.
Walcott said Rocky hit harder with one single shot than did Joe Louis