Larry Holmes vs WBA champs

[Willie Pep 229]

You never proved anything except that you're an imbecile. The 3 fighters you named refused to fight black fighters as champion. That is a FACT. do you know how I know? Because they never did. You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want.

And stop lying about McCarty. There was no contract or even formal discussions. Only his manager talking out his blow hole.

You drinking the gin or vodka today?

So too did Jack Johnson refuse to fight black fighters once champion . . . So maybe there was something more going on.

But Johnson should be held and demean by the same standard, no?

[JAB5239]

So too did Jack Johnson refuse to fight black fighters once champion . . . So maybe there was something more going on.

But Johnson should be held and demean by the same standard, no?

I've complained about Johnson freezing out other black fighters for years. He gets no break from me. This is why I've said Holmes fought better fighters as champion over Johnson as well as guys like Willard and McCarty, who the drunken fool claims fought better competition. Now let's be real here. I'm willing to defend my opinion with facts while the forum joker keeps twising the topic and pushing the goal posts back. This is par for the course with him and we all know it. It's why he try to use a lack of WBA fights to discredit Holmes but will not answer when he should have fought those 7 men who held that title but only totalled 4 successful defenses....2 of which came from Weaver who Holmes had already stopped. It's why he'll argue that Dempsey signed to fight Will but will ignore that Holmes had a signed Contract and site to fight Coetzee until the bottom fell out thru no fault of his own. So believe me my friend, I'm more than happy to discuss Johnson ducking Langford and others as I am anyone else. But let's do it in the right conversation so we don't lose focus on the one at hand.

[billeau2]

Yet he didn't avoid them. He beat Ali and in fact he signed to fight Coetzee, had beaten Weaver twice, beat Witherspoon and Smith, both who would go on to hold the WBA title. Hardly sounds like ducking.

Yup. And to be fair that Witherspoon fight was close, many thought Terrible Tim won that one.

[JAB5239]

Yup. And to be fair that Witherspoon fight was close, many thought Terrible Tim won that one.

Very close fight indeed. I'd say Witherspoon was a better defense than many fighters in history. Had King not been involved Tim's career may have been a great one. He certainly had the talent.

[StarshipTrooper]

What's next, Luther McCarty was better than Holmes?

Oh Jesus! Don't give that brain damaged bionic phuckhead anymore ideas

[JAB5239]

Oh Jesus! Don't give that brain damaged bionic phuckhead anymore ideas

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[QueensburyRules]

You're a fool, seriously. Jeffries could have fought Johnson in 1904 while he was champion but refused.

Dempsey could have fought Wills in 1922, but instead fought inferior competition. Neither of them ever fought a black man as champion, and it's not because they weren't the best contenders at the time. So keep making things up...it's your m.o.

- - JJ opened up 1904 with the ref quitting the ring in the middle of his fight for his refusal to fight. He closed 1904 with a performance in Cali good enough for the local athletic club to offer a 15K purse vs Jeffries, prob being Jeffries last fight was a 25K purse, so in effect JJ had no $$$ behind him. To compound his problem, he opens up 1905 by repeatedly refusing to fight Hart, but the ref instead of quitting the fight gives Hart the fight. Jeffries upon hearing the reports of the fight is said to claimed there was noone left to fight...NOONE!!!

And retired comfortable in knowing he already KOed two fighters who already beat JJ and KOed another who drew him

Dempsey didn't fight at all in 1922

Jack had no control over his career until leaving Kearns anyway, and Kearns had already agreed to fight Wills at least twice until the politics killed the fight

[JAB5239]

- - JJ opened up 1904 with the ref quitting the ring in the middle of his fight for his refusal to fight. He closed 1904 with a performance in Cali good enough for the local athletic club to offer a 15K purse vs Jeffries, prob being Jeffries last fight was a 25K purse, so in effect JJ had no $$$ behind him. To compound his problem, he opens up 1905 by repeatedly refusing to fight Hart, but the ref instead of quitting the fight gives Hart the fight. Jeffries upon hearing the reports of the fight is said to claimed there was noone left to fight...NOONE!!!

And retired comfortable in knowing he already KOed two fighters who already beat JJ and KOed another who drew him

Dempsey didn't fight at all in 1922

Jack had no control over his career until leaving Kearns anyway, and Kearns had already agreed to fight Wills at least twice until the politics killed the fight

Of course Jeffries would say that and than take on Jack Monroe instead of the "colored heavyweight champion, right? Even though Johnson was seen as the only fighter that had a chance against Jeff, white or black, right? Yet when Johnson was champion and Jim came out of retirement he had this to say, “I feel obligated to the sporting public at least to
make an effort to reclaim the heavyweight championship for the
white race. . . . I should step into the ring again and demonstrate
that a white man is king of them all.” So me personally, I think he was afraid to lose the title to a black man. You can hee haw all you want, but the fight should have been made. Of course this has nothing to do with Holmes. But you're avoiding that discussion now.

No Dempsey didn't fight in '22. He only fought once in 1921, twice in '23 and not a single time in 1924, all the while Harry Wills was the best available heavyweight fighter and the one the public wanted to see. Still has nothing to do with how Holmes would do against the WBA titlists I named and why you accuse him of ducking but give t h ese guys free passes. I'm still waiting for you to name all the great Black contenders McCarty beat in his long illustrious career. You did make the claim, but we all of course know how you like to make things up.

[QueensburyRules]

Of course Jeffries would say that and than take on Jack Monroe instead of the "colored heavyweight champion, right? Even though Johnson was seen as the only fighter that had a chance against Jeff, white or black, right? Yet when Johnson was champion and Jim came out of retirement he had this to say, “I feel obligated to the sporting public at least to
make an effort to reclaim the heavyweight championship for the
white race. . . . I should step into the ring again and demonstrate
that a white man is king of them all.” So me personally, I think he was afraid to lose the title to a black man. You can hee haw all you want, but the fight should have been made. Of course this has nothing to do with Holmes. But you're avoiding that discussion now.

No Dempsey didn't fight in '22. He only fought once in 1921, twice in '23 and not a single time in 1924, all the while Harry Wills was the best available heavyweight fighter and the one the public wanted to see. Still has nothing to do with how Holmes would do against the WBA titlists I named and why you accuse him of ducking but give t h ese guys free passes. I'm still waiting for you to name all the great Black contenders McCarty beat in his long illustrious career. You did make the claim, but we all of course know how you like to make things up.

- - Well, we already know how Lar does against a WBA title holder. Either he won't fight the half dozen when Lar was a belt holder or he loses to them later...simples.

Rinse and repeat for the rest of your grade school screed. We should all have the fights we want, but only infantile candybabies get candy on demand like U aspire to.

[JAB5239]

- - Well, we already know how Lar does against a WBA title holder. Either he won't fight the half dozen when Lar was a belt holder or he loses to them later...simples.

Rinse and repeat for the rest of your grade school screed. We should all have the fights we want, but only infantile candybabies get candy on demand like U aspire to.

You're an idiot........and it shows!!!