Best welterweight of all-time

[Benncollinsaad]

Oba could never get over the hill and win a title, but this was a good win over a solid contender.

Here is a list of top welters in no particular order. All rank higher than Oscar or Tito.

Robinson
Leonard
Hearns
Gavilan
Armstrong
Napoles
Basilio
Griffith
Ted "kid" Lewis

Oscar or Tito might crack the top ten, but Im betting more fighters could be argued as having better careers at this weight.

Careful with the words now. I never said I "don't know ****" about them. It just is hard to compare the old fighters with newer ones, because the level of competition and atheticism overall was a bit higher in the 90's than 50's for instance. Still not trying to take anything away from Robinson, Armstrong and those guys. Chill out.

[Benncollinsaad]

And one thing: why does everyone who thinks DLH is great gets maligned and ridiculed?!? Why do so many dislike Oscar?? I still don't get it and probably never will.

[Stoppage]

And one thing: why does everyone who thinks DLH is great gets maligned and ridiculed?!? Why do so many dislike Oscar?? I still don't get it and probably never will.

He is great but in my mind not the best. He deserved the Trinidad win for sure, though. That was his biggest fight and he was clearly robbed.

[JAB5239]

Careful with the words now. I never said I "don't know ****" about them. It just is hard to compare the old fighters with newer ones, because the level of competition and atheticism overall was a bit higher in the 90's than 50's for instance. Still not trying to take anything away from Robinson, Armstrong and those guys. Chill out.

Pardon my choice of words in my last post.

How do you come to the conclusion that competition and athleticism were better in the 90's?

There was a window in the 90's where I would agree about the competition, but that doesn't encompass the whole decade.

There are a host of great fighters from the 50's, and this isn't including top contenders that Im not even aware of.

Robinson
Saxton
Davey
Turner
Basilio
DeMarco
Graham
Gavilan
Fusari

[them_apples]

He is great but in my mind not the best. He deserved the Trinidad win for sure, though. That was his biggest fight and he was clearly robbed.

in his prime though he would have given all the greats hell, that's the thing. had he traded with Trinidad he still probably would have won. debatable though.

[mrboxer]

Careful with the words now. I never said I "don't know ****" about them. It just is hard to compare the old fighters with newer ones, because the level of competition and atheticism overall was a bit higher in the 90's than 50's for instance. Still not trying to take anything away from Robinson, Armstrong and those guys. Chill out.

oscar would kayo every one on this list within the first round only leonard would last till the third

[Benncollinsaad]

oscar would kayo every one on this list within the first round only leonard would last till the third

What list? Oscar was not usually a first round knockout guy, but he would stop them all in the long run. You know, I see now why everybody was screaming controversy after the Whitaker fight; this was a true American, English-speaking legend with an Anglo name getting demolished by this young Mexican-American upstart. It just couldn't be accepted by the majority of the biased American boxing circle. Believe me, there is something to it. Politics are always a part of the big picture in boxing.

[Stoppage]

What list? Oscar was not usually a first round knockout guy, but he would stop them all in the long run. You know, I see now why everybody was screaming controversy after the Whitaker fight; this was a true American, English-speaking legend with an Anglo name getting demolished by this young Mexican-American upstart. It just couldn't be accepted by the majority of the biased American boxing circle. Believe me, there is something to it. Politics are always a part of the big picture in boxing.

Look. It's pretty clear that you like Oscar but don't bring race or nationality into this.

[JAB5239]

Look. It's pretty clear that you like Oscar but don't bring race or nationality into this.

This just became a troll thread with another ridiculous reason to dismiss Whitaker.

[Benncollinsaad]

Look. It's pretty clear that you like Oscar but don't bring race or nationality into this.

Its about nationality for sure. And not just that, but also who was more accepted at the time. HBO has always been partial when it comes to Mexicans vs (Afro)Americans. Always leaning on the latter's side. And Whitaker was considered a legend by then, so dismantling an AMERICAN legend was unforgivable.

And in the end, let me say one more thing: yes I like Oscar. And *** everyone that likes ******* Whitaker more than Oscar! They are either racists or just ****** as hell. You saying black people don't go by race when they choose which fighter to favor??