Best welterweight of all-time

[Benncollinsaad]

The whole crowd that night was pro Oscar and everyone was making a big deal about Oscar. Including HBO. So I don't know how they would be leaning on Whitaker's side.

And FYI, HBO has nothing to do with who wins. It's the judges. And the judges aren't from HBO.

Now please, let's just get back on topic and not the hatred of certain fighters.

I didn't say HBO had anything to do with the decisions. *** man, you gotta start reading my posts more carefully! They are the MEDIA and media has a lot to say. I'm saying its easier to become accepted by the medias in US when you are one of their own, so to speak. Foreign fighters have to work harder and achieve A LOT before they are universally accepted. Not that Oscar is a foreigner, but sometimes it feels like that.

[The Jackal]

Robinson he was a batter 147 than 160 fighter Armstrong & Gavilan others you could throw in there on list, but Robinson is the best at 147 ATG my IMO his record speaks for its self in that division only 1 loss, non title fight to La Motta & that was meant be very close.

[Benncollinsaad]

I cant believe nobody else voted for Oscar...even Trinidad got more votes! You truly are morons, forgive me, but it is so. You are hating on the man, so you ignore all his achievements, which have been many. No other welterweight has won as many titles and in as many different divisions. Name me one!

And who da *** is JOSE NAPOLES??! Why is he better than DLH??

[TheGreatA]

I cant believe nobody else voted for Oscar...even Trinidad got more votes! You truly are morons, forgive me, but it is so. You are hating on the man, so you ignore all his achievements, which have been many. No other welterweight has won as many titles and in as many different divisions. Name me one!

And who da *** is JOSE NAPOLES??! Why is he better than DLH??

Napoles made 13 welterweight title defenses in a span of 6 years and cleaned out the division.

I'm afraid Oscar's amount of titles won't matter when the discussion is about what he did at 147.

[Benncollinsaad]

Napoles made 13 welterweight title defenses in a span of 6 years and cleaned out the division.

I'm afraid Oscar's amount of titles won't matter when the discussion is about what he did at 147.

He'd kick this guys ass, thats for sure! What he did at 147?!? How can you ever sincerely DOUBT his achievements at 147?? If you do, just stop calling yourself an expert right away!

[TheGreatA]

He'd kick this guys ass, thats for sure! What he did at 147?!? How can you ever sincerely DOUBT his achievements at 147?? If you do, just stop calling yourself an expert right away!

I don't really know what is so impressive about his welterweight career. Pernell was slipping while Camacho & Chavez were just plain old.

Oba Carr I was never that impressed by, having seen former lightweight Livingstone Bramble knock him around the ring in their contest only to lose a split decision. I guess he must have gotten better as the years went by but he was never able to beat the top fighters.

Quartey was his best win and it was razor-close.

He left the Trinidad fight in the judges' hands and paid for it. He effectively ended any chance of him being ranked a great welterweight by declining a rematch and thus the last couple of rounds against Trinidad will likely forever describe De La Hoya's welterweight career.

Shane Mosley then went up from lightweight to beat De La Hoya, quite clearly in my opinion. Oscar never fought at welterweight again until his foolish return to 147 against Pacquiao.

[Benncollinsaad]

I don't really know what is so impressive about his welterweight career. Pernell was slipping while Camacho & Chavez were just plain old.

Oba Carr I was never that impressed by, having seen former lightweight Livingstone Bramble knock him around the ring in their contest only to lose a split decision. I guess he must have gotten better as the years went by but he was never able to beat the top fighters.

Quartey was his best win and it was razor-close.

He left the Trinidad fight in the judges' hands and paid for it. He effectively ended any chance of him being ranked a great welterweight by declining a rematch and thus the last couple of rounds against Trinidad will likely forever describe De La Hoya's welterweight career.

Shane Mosley then went up from lightweight to beat De La Hoya, quite clearly in my opinion. Oscar never fought at welterweight again until his foolish return to 147 against Pacquiao.

Thank you. I now have a clear view on your expertise. I respect your opinion, but frankly...FRANKLY I don't like it! Btw, Oscar went up to 154 and beat Vargas AND Mosley, isnt that worth of high praise?

[BennyST]

I cant believe nobody else voted for Oscar...even Trinidad got more votes! You truly are morons, forgive me, but it is so. You are hating on the man, so you ignore all his achievements, which have been many. No other welterweight has won as many titles and in as many different divisions. Name me one!

And who da *** is JOSE NAPOLES??! Why is he better than DLH??

You're arguing in a discussion about WW's and you don't even know who Napoles is? Jesus man, and you wonder why people don't agree with you?

The whole Whitaker racist thing is just really moronic too mate. I love to watch Whitaker fight and I'm about as white as you can get and from Australia. So, how does that tie in with your theory of "You're obviously black and racist if you prefer Whitaker to Oscar"?

[BennyST]

Thank you. I now have a clear view on your expertise. I respect your opinion, but frankly...FRANKLY I don't like it! Btw, Oscar went up to 154 and beat Vargas AND Mosley, isnt that worth of high praise?

Sure it is, but we're talking about WW's here, not the JMW (or any other division he fought in for that matter) division and achievements made therein.

[Benncollinsaad]

Sure it is, but we're talking about WW's here, not the JMW (or any other division he fought in for that matter) division and achievements made therein.

Hi. I wish everybody could say it like you just did, politely and without malice. I know we are talking about the WW. The fact is: Oscar DID beat Trinidad, Mosley(not at 147 perhaps, but still), Quartey, Whitaker and Camacho. All those names are among the greatest in the history of 147.

And Oba Carr WAS good. Good enough to give Quartey his first close 12 rounds. Quartey won the fight clearly, but was having problems with Carr in the last four rounds and got knocked down in the 11th.