How Do You Rate Frazier In Terms Of Never defeating a Power Puncher ?

[billeau2]

Fraizer was never the same fighter after the first Ali fight. when he was coming up he fought nothing but top contenders. I picked Foreman to win that fight because Frazier two fights after Ali he did not look good. He was lacking the fire he once had.

Frazier fought in a very intense style that generally (there are exceptions) burns bright but not long. He also had a lot to overcome... and that stuff always comes back on you (I know from my own body/martial arts... Im now held togther with duct tape and chicken wire). And in that division, at that time, to lose a step really meant something.

Frazier did fight some incredible comp... even under the radar, guys like Ellis who is not talked about but was a fantastic fighter...

[StarshipTrooper]

Seems to be a less skilled Dwight Qawi who gave Foreman a better fight .

How to say "I haven't watched any boxing and have no ******** clue about the sport" without using those exact words

[The Old LefHook]

One more thing. Chuvalo was a power puncher.

Sort of. He was a hard arm puncher, as someone said previously.

[Willie Pep 229]

Because there will always be ****** people set in their ways, no matter what the evidence. That why things gets so messed up because it's not just opinions, but people often don't even agree on things that are facts.

If there is room for disagreement then they're probably not facts, just one side claiming objectivity when it's actually not there.

At least that has been my experience on this forum.

[Stuart Chandler]

How to say "I haven't watched any boxing and have no ******** clue about the sport" without using those exact words

Well gets some free time and start watching so you have a clue .

[The Old LefHook]

Sparshìt ******.

[Stuart Chandler]

Fraizer was never the same fighter after the first Ali fight. when he was coming up he fought nothing but top contenders. I picked Foreman to win that fight because Frazier two fights after Ali he did not look good. He was lacking the fire he once had.

Frazier’s only true puncher he fought then was Quarry . We won’t count any of his wins if it’s against the grain here we’ll just use his prime years .

This was his opponents leading up to Frazier .

Win	31–2–4	Buster Mathis	UD	12	Mar 24, 1969	Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, U.S.
36	Win	30–2–4	Aaron Eastling	KO	5 (10), 2:41	Jan 26, 1969	Memorial Auditorium, Canton, Ohio, U.S.
35	Win	29–2–4	Charlie Reno	TKO	5 (10), 2:58	Jan 10, 1969	Seattle Center Coliseum, Seattle, Washington, U.S.
34	Win	28–2–4	Willis Earls	UD	10	Nov 19, 1968	Freeman Coliseum, San Antonio, Texas, U.S.
33	Win	27–2–4	Bob Mumford	TKO	5 (10), 1:15	Nov 11, 1968	Phoenix Forum, Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.
32	Loss	26–2–4	Jimmy Ellis	MD	15	Apr 27, 1968	Coliseum Arena, Oakland, California, U.S.	For vacant WBA heavyweight title
31	Win	26–1–4	Thad Spencer	TKO	12 (12), 2:57	Feb 3, 1968	Oakland Arena, Oakland, California, U.S.

Most these guys are so bad they don’t even have published records . The only known credible guy he couldn’t knock out either kind of a coincidence don’t you think ?

[mrbig1]

Oscar Bonavena was a big puncher. Understand that out of 76 wins, big George had 68 KO's. So not only Fraizer but anybody who fought big George got knock the f out.

[Stuart Chandler]

Oscar Bonavena was a big puncher. Understand that out of 76 wins, big George had 68 KO's. So not only Fraizer but anybody who fought big George got knock the f out.

Who did Oscar knockout ?

[Blond Beast]

Wow. Someone able to have a conversation with here? I'm sure there are more. Hope they introduce themselves to me. George is a frend. If you know anything about George Chuvalo you know that he is as rock hard outside the ring as he was in it. Past 80 now, he remains as sharp as ever, and can still beat the **** outta most grown men. Amen. George is always up for sitting with a fan and discussing his amazing career. A guy who shared the ring with Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Quarry, Ellis, Bonavena, Cleroux, Mathis, Etc., some of them twice, never suffered a knockdown, ever. And George could CRACK! Thredstarter was on about Frazier never fought a power puncher or whatever. Not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings on a forum. Happy to help him finish his research. Frazier did indeed face one.

Very well said. As a Canadian I couldn’t be prouder of how well George represented everything he touched. He has tragic stories to tell, but listening to him will always end in a positive experience. He’s a great speaker. He was on the cbc radio only a few years ago. He admits to being able to beat up men in the gym as just a kid. It’s how he knew that maybe he had something. I’ll never forget his “Ali went to the hospital, I went out dancing with my wife.” He’s a treasure.