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How Do You Rate Frazier In Terms Of Never defeating a Power Puncher ?

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Blond Beast View Post

    Very well said. As a Canadian I couldn’t be prouder of how well George represented everything he touched. He has tragic stories to tell, but listening to him will always end in a positive experience. He’s a great speaker. He was on the cbc radio only a few years ago. He admits to being able to beat up men in the gym as just a kid. It’s how he knew that maybe he had something. I’ll never forget his “Ali went to the hospital, I went out dancing with my wife.” He’s a treasure.
    - - Needs to be restated along with he took the fight as an emergency fill in on a weeks notice after Ali/Terrell got axed by Chicago.

    Best moment was showing up as a Washerwoman crashing the Ali press conference...epic

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    • #32
      Norton never beat a big power puncher either. Outside of a faded Louis, Marciano didn't really beat any big power punchers which may have been a factor when people talk about his "granite chin".

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Stuart Chandler View Post

        Frazier’s only true puncher he fought then was Quarry . We won’t count any of his wins if it’s against the grain here we’ll just use his prime years .

        This was his opponents leading up to Frazier .
        Win 31–2–4 Buster Mathis UD 12 Mar 24, 1969 Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, U.S.
        36 Win 30–2–4 Aaron Eastling KO 5 (10), 2:41 Jan 26, 1969 Memorial Auditorium, Canton, Ohio, U.S.
        35 Win 29–2–4 Charlie Reno TKO 5 (10), 2:58 Jan 10, 1969 Seattle Center Coliseum, Seattle, Washington, U.S.
        34 Win 28–2–4 Willis Earls UD 10 Nov 19, 1968 Freeman Coliseum, San Antonio, Texas, U.S.
        33 Win 27–2–4 Bob Mumford TKO 5 (10), 1:15 Nov 11, 1968 Phoenix Forum, Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.
        32 Loss 26–2–4 Jimmy Ellis MD 15 Apr 27, 1968 Coliseum Arena, Oakland, California, U.S. For vacant WBA heavyweight title
        31 Win 26–1–4 Thad Spencer TKO 12 (12), 2:57 Feb 3, 1968 Oakland Arena, Oakland, California, U.S.
        Most these guys are so bad they don’t even have published records . The only known credible guy he couldn’t knock out either kind of a coincidence don’t you think ?
        So what do you know about these guys? Have you followed Ellis for example? Or are you assuming they are "bad?" And Quarry was not a big puncher. Foster was a big puncher. Chuvalo was also a hard hitter BTW.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
          Norton never beat a big power puncher either. Outside of a faded Louis, Marciano didn't really beat any big power punchers which may have been a factor when people talk about his "granite chin".
          So Ghost... Im searching for a term, that describes a phenomena where it looks like a "lack" until you look closely and realize it is actually typical. For example when someone says "Liston didn't fight the best comp" and you have to tell people that most heavyweights did not fight fellow ATG's, or at least not at prime... Well its the same with fighting a bona fide puncher... not a boxer puncher who hits well, but a real puncher. They are not as many of them in the heavyweights as people think.

          I would argue that even guys who could be punchers were often boxer punchers. Liston, Marciano for example... Both guys could Ko like a pure puncher but had other skills that eclipsed a big punch and were more pronounced than just the end game of a big punch. Lets compare a puncher like Louis for example to Lennox Louis, a boxer puncher. Louis' whole game was setting up his punch. His strategy, his footwork, etc. A guy like Lewis meanwhile hit hard, could punch hard, but not everythng was a set up for a big punch with Lewis. Or... lets take Morrison. A bona fide puncher. He especially liked to set up the Left Hook. His game revolved around setting up that big punch, ditto for Cooney... Not the same as Frazier, who had the left hook but beat you through attrition more than a big punch... does not even make Frazier's hook, less than Morrisons, its just the difference between a puncher and a boxer puncher.

          Real punchers are more rare than boxer punchers. Bottom line.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
            Frazier fought amongst others, a very good arm puncher... One of the best.
            For once I agree!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by War Room View Post

              For once I agree!
              zzzz try harder I need a little more effort these days babygirl.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

                zzzz try harder I need a little more effort these days babygirl.
                Isn't it time for your Ensure meal?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by War Room View Post

                  Isn't it time for your Ensure meal?
                  Baby girl aren't we about the same age? Your boobs sag...its not a good look. YDSAB either but you sure think you do!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

                    Baby girl aren't we about the same age? Your boobs sag...its not a good look. YDSAB either but you sure think you do!
                    Are you making a pass at me? Nowhere near the same age.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by War Room View Post

                      Are you making a pass at me? Nowhere near the same age.
                      Lol, your feminine logic is the issue, not my preferences.

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