How Do You Rate Frazier In Terms Of Never defeating a Power Puncher ?

[QueensburyRules]

Very well said. As a Canadian I couldn’t be prouder of how well George represented everything he touched. He has tragic stories to tell, but listening to him will always end in a positive experience. He’s a great speaker. He was on the cbc radio only a few years ago. He admits to being able to beat up men in the gym as just a kid. It’s how he knew that maybe he had something. I’ll never forget his “Ali went to the hospital, I went out dancing with my wife.” He’s a treasure.

- - Needs to be restated along with he took the fight as an emergency fill in on a weeks notice after Ali/Terrell got axed by Chicago.

Best moment was showing up as a Washerwoman crashing the Ali press conference...epic

[GhostofDempsey]

Norton never beat a big power puncher either. Outside of a faded Louis, Marciano didn't really beat any big power punchers which may have been a factor when people talk about his "granite chin".

[billeau2]

Frazier’s only true puncher he fought then was Quarry . We won’t count any of his wins if it’s against the grain here we’ll just use his prime years .

This was his opponents leading up to Frazier .

Win	31–2–4	Buster Mathis	UD	12	Mar 24, 1969	Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, U.S.
36	Win	30–2–4	Aaron Eastling	KO	5 (10), 2:41	Jan 26, 1969	Memorial Auditorium, Canton, Ohio, U.S.
35	Win	29–2–4	Charlie Reno	TKO	5 (10), 2:58	Jan 10, 1969	Seattle Center Coliseum, Seattle, Washington, U.S.
34	Win	28–2–4	Willis Earls	UD	10	Nov 19, 1968	Freeman Coliseum, San Antonio, Texas, U.S.
33	Win	27–2–4	Bob Mumford	TKO	5 (10), 1:15	Nov 11, 1968	Phoenix Forum, Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.
32	Loss	26–2–4	Jimmy Ellis	MD	15	Apr 27, 1968	Coliseum Arena, Oakland, California, U.S.	For vacant WBA heavyweight title
31	Win	26–1–4	Thad Spencer	TKO	12 (12), 2:57	Feb 3, 1968	Oakland Arena, Oakland, California, U.S.

Most these guys are so bad they don’t even have published records . The only known credible guy he couldn’t knock out either kind of a coincidence don’t you think ?

So what do you know about these guys? Have you followed Ellis for example? Or are you assuming they are "bad?" And Quarry was not a big puncher. Foster was a big puncher. Chuvalo was also a hard hitter BTW.

[billeau2]

Norton never beat a big power puncher either. Outside of a faded Louis, Marciano didn't really beat any big power punchers which may have been a factor when people talk about his "granite chin".

So Ghost... Im searching for a term, that describes a phenomena where it looks like a "lack" until you look closely and realize it is actually typical. For example when someone says "Liston didn't fight the best comp" and you have to tell people that most heavyweights did not fight fellow ATG's, or at least not at prime... Well its the same with fighting a bona fide puncher... not a boxer puncher who hits well, but a real puncher. They are not as many of them in the heavyweights as people think.

I would argue that even guys who could be punchers were often boxer punchers. Liston, Marciano for example... Both guys could Ko like a pure puncher but had other skills that eclipsed a big punch and were more pronounced than just the end game of a big punch. Lets compare a puncher like Louis for example to Lennox Louis, a boxer puncher. Louis' whole game was setting up his punch. His strategy, his footwork, etc. A guy like Lewis meanwhile hit hard, could punch hard, but not everythng was a set up for a big punch with Lewis. Or... lets take Morrison. A bona fide puncher. He especially liked to set up the Left Hook. His game revolved around setting up that big punch, ditto for Cooney... Not the same as Frazier, who had the left hook but beat you through attrition more than a big punch... does not even make Frazier's hook, less than Morrisons, its just the difference between a puncher and a boxer puncher.

Real punchers are more rare than boxer punchers. Bottom line.

[War Room]

Frazier fought amongst others, a very good arm puncher... One of the best.

For once I agree!

[billeau2]

For once I agree!

zzzz try harder I need a little more effort these days babygirl.

[War Room]

zzzz try harder I need a little more effort these days babygirl.

Isn't it time for your Ensure meal?

[billeau2]

Isn't it time for your Ensure meal?

Baby girl aren't we about the same age? Your boobs sag...its not a good look. YDSAB either but you sure think you do!

[War Room]

Baby girl aren't we about the same age? Your boobs sag...its not a good look. YDSAB either but you sure think you do!

Are you making a pass at me? Nowhere near the same age.

[billeau2]

Are you making a pass at me? Nowhere near the same age.

Lol, your feminine logic is the issue, not my preferences.