Bad precedent?

[billeau2]

Great debate! Im just listening here... I have not totally made up my mind yet, great points all sides. I do want to say one thing about Jake Paul here: Yes... by all means let Jake Paul fight. If Boxers followed his lead it would make a lot of things right. the fans would choose the matches and fund them directly, no state authorities, government agencies needed! No Promoters needed. Just organizations for drug testing and safety issues.

Government always will take more than necessary, promoters will always take more than necessary... Thats why I like the lineal! Only one title bub... thats the heavyweight who beats the best heavyweight at the time bub! (takes sip of old fashioned, waves straw hat, falls on face...)

Seriously though this whole debate is at best an interm issue that should never come up if things were done right. Let fighters fight who the fans want to see, because otherwise there will always be a debate as to when a man cleans the division out, or not... Most mandatories are BS.

[QueensburyRules]

- -As established just a few weeks ago, BridgetteWeight is 200-224lbs. 200 lbs remains the Cruiser limit unless someone has updated info otherwise.

[Rockin']

We, you and I are always at odds over this same issue.

It is 'prize fighting' not a professional boxing league no matter how much the scationing bodied and the apologists would like it to be.

If the money fight is with this guy at Cruiserweight than that's the fight you make.

These guys are independent entrepreneurs selling their fights. Canelo didn't sign up for any league and no one has any obligation to anyone.

Everyone is just an independent looking for the best fight he can get. The scantioning bodies are just one avenue to getting those fights. Fan appeal is another. The scantioning bodies should never stand in the way of a great fight because of 'fairness.' I.e. Their ranking system, which probably isn't fair to begin with.

The wild west of professional sports.

Fan appeal is HUGE. They like the fighter they will pay..............Rockin'

[Willie Pep 229]

If this were true Wills would have got his fight with Dempsey as he was the most popular heavyweight besides Dempsey for a number of years.

Of course they're corrupt, but letting anyone with name recognition fight is equally as bad. In my opinion, mine only, it takes away from the integrity of the sport.

Cruiserweights may not have the name recognition, but at least they have built their resumes against other top fighters in their division. Hell, I would even have a problem if Canelo had faced Beterbiev after beating Kovalov and moved up.

I'm not interfering, I'm coversating friend. I'm fine with you disagreeing with me as you lay out reasons why in respectful approach knowing we are on polar opposites concerning this particular topic.

Wills was held back becuse of race . . . Not the same argument.

Certainly not - if he's popular enough to sell PPV buys he can't possibly be hurting the fight game no matter who he is . . . Even Jake Paul.

Why is Ray Mancini in the HOF, achievement or sports entertainment?

I realize you are not interfering with anyone we are just having a what if debate.

[JAB5239]

- -As established just a few weeks ago, BridgetteWeight is 200-224lbs. 200 lbs remains the Cruiser limit unless someone has updated info otherwise.

Here is a link to ESPN talking about the fight and reducing the Cruiserweight limit back to 190.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...erweight-title

[JAB5239]

Wills was held back becuse of race . . . Not the same argument.

Certainly not - if he's popular enough to sell PPV buys he can't possibly be hurting the fight game no matter who he is . . . Even Jake Paul.

Why is Ray Mancini in the HOF, achievement or sports entertainment?

I realize you are not interfering with anyone we are just having a what if debate.

Wills was popular enough to win a poll of fighters Dempsey should fight next, and there are plenty of articles discussing the respect many whites had for him. I don't want to turn this into another Dempsey-Wills thread as we have done that to death around here. My point is popularity isn't the end all. At least not to me. Maybe I'm old fashioned in that sense. And yes....we're just having a debate. I've got noting but respect whether I agree or disagree with you.

[QueensburyRules]

Here is a link to ESPN talking about the fight and reducing the Cruiserweight limit back to 190.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...erweight-title

- -I posted the WBC link regarding the Bridgette 200-224 range going in to that first fight.

Your ESPN says the WBC is moving to roll back cruiser to the original 190lbs, leaving 10 lbs floating in space with no accountability, but I see no indication they have done so.

Now, could be El Puerco Para Vida will make a special dispensation of 190lbs for this fight. The whole scenario is preposterous as Makabu has an upcoming fight he could lose and would no longer be the title holder. I'll wait and see, but ain't holding my breath.

[Willie Pep 229]

Ok . . . So the WBC wants Canelo fight this CW champion and the creation of the BW division has given them a fig leaf excuse to reduce the CW division to 190 lbs. This would make the Canelo fight more realistic.

Is this what's going on?

Why the fight . . . another Triple G rematch would go through the PPV ceiling.

In regards to the multiple belts what's in it for the WBC?

What does the WBC have? A 'ham an egger' CW champion they can't make money off of, so they're trying to get a payday out of him via Canelo?

Why is this fight being pushed?

[JAB5239]

- -I posted the WBC link regarding the Bridgette 200-224 range going in to that first fight.

Your ESPN says the WBC is moving to roll back cruiser to the original 190lbs, leaving 10 lbs floating in space with no accountability, but I see no indication they have done so.

Now, could be El Puerco Para Vida will make a special dispensation of 190lbs for this fight. The whole scenario is preposterous as Makabu has an upcoming fight he could lose and would no longer be the title holder. I'll wait and see, but ain't holding my breath.

Here is another article saying they are going back to 190. The timing just seems very odd to me, like they are going to give Canelo every advantage they can to win their title, which in turn will give them bigger sanctioning fees from bigger purses.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/canel...043009376.html

[QueensburyRules]

Ok . . . So the WBC wants Canelo fight this CW champion and the creation of the BW division has given them a fig leaf excuse to reduce the CW division to 190 lbs. This would make the Canelo fight more realistic.

Is this what's going on?

Why the fight . . . another Triple G rematch would go through the PPV ceiling.

In regards to the multiple belts what's in it for the WBC?

What does the WBC have? A 'ham an egger' CW champion they can't make money off of, so they're trying to get a payday out of him via Canelo?

Why is this fight being pushed?

- -Easy to see Team Canelo has arrived at the perfect point in time with Eddie Trainer of the Year running a masterclass state of the art operation that their egos are setting themselves up for the inevitable Big Fall.

They'll offer the Golovkin trilogy in a Mexico City Bullring at 168 that may or may not be PPV worthy but would fill the Bull Ring to bursting. JMM turned down the lucrative 5th Manny fight under similar circumstance to fight Tim Bradley for 1/5th the purse and crowd in part because it would've been embarrassing for him to see Mexicans loved Manny way more than him..

Team Golovkin lost the plot after he became the adopted Man of the American People with multiple lucrative endorsement incomes by their unholy obsession with Canelo and subsequent hamhanded dealings since their first fight. He's lost his Mojo and it won't ever return.