How did Joe Fraizers son get a title shot?

[JAB5239]

- -Luverly bunch over all attempting to create The Holy Grail, but I know some duncecaps there to rival U. Many if not most are timeline illiterate and have no grasp of stats, so yeah, I prob know more than most...

You're the biggest moron in this section, and at the very least one of the top 5 worst posters on the entire forum. Quit trying to toot your own horn.

[JAB5239]

. . . White?

Who knows. Publicity stunt? Ed Sanders who won Olympic gold in 1952 wasn't given that kind of opportunity. Of course he was in the navy and wasn't supposed to fight professionally, but one has to think an exception could have been made had the opportunity presented itself.

[DeeMoney]

- -Tubby Lar who started skinny, was skating on thin ice his whole career, so King arranged a bunch of baby fights for him. Prob being Mike Spinks was the real deal by having won his title in the ring.

Lar record is 0-6, 0 KO against such fighters.

So Holmes is 0-6 vs "real deal" fighters, implying that he only fought 6 fights against "real deal" fighters and lost them all. Which also means that all of his 69 wins were against non- "real deal" fighters- otherwise he wouldnt have been 0-6 vs said fighter.

So you are writing that Oliver McCall and Brien Nielsen were "real deal" fighters, whereas fighters such as Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, Ray Mercer, Carl Williams, Gerry Cooney, Trevor Berbick and Tim Witherspoon were not "real deal".

[Anthony342]

You can find fights like that for many champions throughout history.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of slaughter house, Tyson fight was even worse for Marvis. I've heard of guys trying to toot their own horn. It usually ends up in some kind of injury. Unless they've done a lot of yoga

[JAB5239]

So Holmes is 0-6 vs "real deal" fighters, implying that he only fought 6 fights against "real deal" fighters and lost them all. Which also means that all of his 69 wins were against non- "real deal" fighters- otherwise he wouldnt have been 0-6 vs said fighter.

So you are writing that Oliver McCall and Brien Nielsen were "real deal" fighters, whereas fighters such as Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, Ray Mercer, Carl Williams, Gerry Cooney, Trevor Berbick and Tim Witherspoon were not "real deal".

He was like 14-6 against fighter who had at one point held a heavyweight title. Look at his ages when he had those 6 losses and it tells you all you need to know about Queenie's hate driven agenda. 35, 36, 38, 43, 46 and 48 years of age.

[_Rexy_]

. . . White?

That was the consensus at the time, yeah. I remember reading that Patterson wasn't pleased about it, and wasn't his usual cheery self when asked about it.

[Willie Pep 229]

Who knows. Publicity stunt? Ed Sanders who won Olympic gold in 1952 wasn't given that kind of opportunity. Of course he was in the navy and wasn't supposed to fight professionally, but one has to think an exception could have been made had the opportunity presented itself.

I don't understand why you referenced Sanders considering my statement: it was about being "white."

Ed Sanders was black, no? -- my point was that there was a dirth of white fighters for Patterson to fight. Johanson and Brian London weren't ready until '59 - Patterson's two previous champion fights were with Moore and Tommy Jackson - in '57 they wanted a white challenger so the promoters pulled Pete 'out their a ss.'

Ed Sanders was black and by '53 (white) Marciano had plenty of black fighters to match him against so no reason to pull an amateur 'out their a ss' (make an exception) especially for a black fighter.

You seem focused on the gold medal thing . . . I'm trying to get you to see that the color thing was going on; business as usual.

Two black fighters didn't draw as well as a white- black match up, except Louis. But even his 'white fights' did better than his black challengers numbers wise.

[QueensburyRules]

So Holmes is 0-6 vs "real deal" fighters, implying that he only fought 6 fights against "real deal" fighters and lost them all. Which also means that all of his 69 wins were against non- "real deal" fighters- otherwise he wouldnt have been 0-6 vs said fighter.

So you are writing that Oliver McCall and Brien Nielsen were "real deal" fighters, whereas fighters such as Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, Ray Mercer, Carl Williams, Gerry Cooney, Trevor Berbick and Tim Witherspoon were not "real deal".

- -Misinterpretation be U.

McC and Nielson were real deal qualified as I mentioned MSpinks was and he lost those fights.

"Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, Ray Mercer, Carl Williams, Gerry Cooney, Trevor Berbick and Tim Witherspoon were not "real deal" Perfectly stated as per my title qualifications. Thanks for making it easy for me. 0-6, 0 KO vs fighters holding a title won in the ring...simples...

[JAB5239]

I don't understand why you referenced Sanders considering my statement: it was about being "white."

Ed Sanders was black, no? -- my point was that there was a dirth of white fighters for Patterson to fight. Johanson and Brian London weren't ready until '59 - Patterson's two previous champion fights were with Moore and Tommy Jackson - in '57 they wanted a white challenger so the promoters pulled Pete 'out their a ss.'

Ed Sanders was black and by '53 (white) Marciano had plenty of black fighters to match him against so no reason to pull an amateur 'out their a ss' (make an exception) especially for a black fighter.

You seem focused on the gold medal thing . . . I'm trying to get you to see that the color thing was going on; business as usual.

Two black fighters didn't draw as well as a white- black match up, except Louis. But even his 'white fights' did better than his black challengers numbers wise.

My point is I think it was more of a publicity stunt. I'm not sure any gold medalist should be fight a professional world champion in their pro debut whether they're white, black or any other color. Obviously a guy like Loma was an exception, but clearly Radamacher wasn't. I referenced Sanders because he had one Gold the Olympics previous to Radamacher, it had nothing to do with color. Sanders wasn't even supposed to turn professional while still in the navy.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Novice ex-felon Sonny Liston beat Olympic Gold Medalist Ed Sanders just before turning pro. Sanders may have had pro potential but passed tragically premature.