6ft9 280lb Fury destroys any old timer boxer

[JAB5239]

- -Need to stop bagging U glue.

Big George in the school of Dempsey and Louis in being magnanimous in his treatment of other fighters. Ali won a nominal controversial battle well recorded in literature, and George won The War. Buy a clue, not more glue...

Whatever you say drunky. Of course you offer no proof as usual, only 100 proof. Cheers to you rummy, you're still the history sections resident bozo!!

[billeau2]

1) Not for me, I think reach is a HUGE advantage, and think thats Fury's biggest advantage in regards to size- far more than weight which I could give or take. I am sure people will cite various precedence of fighters with significantly shorter reach winning big fights. But you could do that with any attribute (sometimes the slow guy win, sometimes the dumb guy wins, etc). To me, Fury's reach, combined with his agility gives him a great advantage in being able to jab n grab. He's rarely ever punished in any meaningful way for hit, so he just hits his opponent while at his range, and once they get within their range he holds them.

2) The ideas of weight, weight training, and things of that nature that people in all sports had in the past were often times mistaken. NFL linemen in the 60s would rarely try to weigh more than 250 lbs under the idea that they would be too slow and bulky (despite the fact that they arent as fast as most of the 300+ lbers today). Baseball players rarely lifted prior to the 1980s, afraid that lifting weights would cause them to be too bulky. Heck, a lot of people in general 70 years ago were afraid that weight training would give them deadly heart problems. We know this to be false now, but just because someone didn't do something in days gone by doesnt make that thing right or wrong.
That being written, I could see stamina as having a major impact on choosing not to carry extra weight, and I have argued that here before. Boxing, more than people often cite, is as much of an endurance sport as anything else. You could argue that fighters are benefitted from carrying a build closer to a distance runner than a sprinter- there is no subbing out or extended breaks in boxing. Thats why simply being heavier is not always beneficial- and thats what makes this a legitimate discussion.

Football is a great point to discuss. It is a perfect example of a difference in development... from a glorified club sport, to a multibillion dollar complex with colleges becoming a farm system... naturally the best and brightest athletes were brought in. Interestingly Nautilus training in the late 80's revolutionized training. The circuit machines we take for granted allowed a team to exhaust every major muscle group with 8 reps, on a circuit...So now a team could practice more, could drive goal oriented results physically and boy!!! did the players get bigger, stronger and faster! I remember these fitness theories and machines... Lol.

Boxing has always been a hybrid... sport and combat. And in all the skills necessary, one cannot just substitute brute strength of size. Hence we see weaker and stronger eras where skills were emphasized, or where distance changed, etc. So evolution, if any, was never progressive in a straight line, as opposed to a pure sport like football.

[joseph5620]

Whatever you say drunky. Of course you offer no proof as usual, only 100 proof. Cheers to you rummy, you're still the history sections resident bozo!!

[HOUDINI563]

Fury is a mess of a fighter. A lumbering laughing stock. Only heavyweight champion I openly laugh at and shake my head as to what fans believe is good boxing in today’s horribly watered down boxing world.

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Fury is a mess of a fighter. A lumbering laughing stock. Only heavyweight champion I openly laugh at and shake my head as to what fans believe is good boxing in today’s horribly watered down boxing world.

No analysis to support your ridiculous claims?

I think you're just upset that Tyson Fury would destroy your favourite fighter(s). Just man up and accept it.

[HOUDINI563]

Reach is a meaningless statistic. The ability to land blows is all about speed, timing, technique. Just because a fighter has longer reach does not in any way indicate an ability to out punch an opponent.

[Marchegiano]

I genuinely don't see how someone such as yourself who knows his boxing, thinks that Rocky would stand a chance against a giant technician like Fury.

Marciano had no technique and no size.... Yes he was tough and could punch hard, but a man with his average
physical attributes and limited skillset needs a lot more than that to beat Tyson Fury.

You talking in circles homie. I'm holding back to see what'cha'got but honestly I don't reckon much.

Like already, you have an inconsistency to rationalize for me. Way before we get into film, records, sizes, etc.

Kronk Fury is a monster, as if a midget like Marciano or Louis could ever land a punch on him, let alone beat him.

Size and skills matter, and no boxer throughout history has the physical attributes of Fury, this coupled with his iron will, heart & skillset makes him very close to being unbeatable.

Hmm, seems a confession to me. What you are saying is Fury's boxing skills got him looking at lights so he acquired some puncher's skills and techniques. Subtle differences that equate to extreme leaps in power.

Sounds like what you're saying is dropping some of that Ali **** in favor of some Marciano **** aided Fury quite a bit.

Followed by

I genuinely don't see how someone such as yourself who knows his boxing, thinks that Rocky would stand a chance against a giant technician like Fury.

So, assuming I know my ass from a hole when it comes to subtle differences like spotting a jab vs a jolt, I did make a whole thread and explain there is no such thing as an adjective jab because they are as different as any other punch and it's like calling an uppercut a vertical hook. Thumping jab, popular term, used even by trainers, just some made up bull**** from boxing focused *******s who forgot or never knew that punch has its own name and isn't a modified jab of any kind.

Let's just assume I know a little about punching and like the puncher I like because from my evaluation he is the least boxer ever and most puncher ever in the history of the gloved sport including Sullivan who was a BK guy and somehow managed less BK-era st**** than Rock.

The thing that gave Fury the edge against Wilder is beyond the realm of possibility for that edge to now go to Marciano?

If styles make fight, Kronk improved Fury, and Marciano is the OG master's master of the punching techniques I think edge goes to the destroyer of men, the man who knocked most of the people he ever faced into retirement, the man with more than just one broken bone or skull on his resume, and the man who actually beat a slew of very talented ATGs.

That's before size homie. I'll give you the edge on size for boxing technique but not punching. Punching does not favor big men, that's why all the historical heavy hitters are smaller, including Wilder himself.

So, if Fury's gonna box Rock he's done been KD'd hard by a man who does the same **** as Rock but without traps, without guile, and without forethought. Marciano is a thinking puncher. Do you honestly believe Ezzard Charles, greatest LHW ever, just stood there and watched Marciano leap across the ring with a super obvious overhand? Maybe he was tricked, maybe he was looking elsewhere. Or you can believe Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Joe Walcott, and Archie Moore, some of the slickest dudes ever period, just got so old their ****ing eyes don't work.

If Fury's going to punch he gives up his natural strength. He is huge compared to Marciano. That doesn't help him anywhere close, it gives Rocky room to do his work and Fury less reaction time to respond and nothing else.

What Fury needs is even more Marciano. He is incomplete. His own words suggest he's improved greatly since Wilder II in the power department. He claims he has 1-punch power now. Hmm, something Marciano already had. Let's see if he does have one-punch and if he is able to set traps for it. If not, the boxing traps he sets plays right into Marciano and even more so Dempsey.

Dempsey just destroys the guy tbh.

Where Marciano will bait a direct pull back then throw the overhead Dempsey will just get close and go to the body. Fury's not shown any ability to handle either.

Also, Tyson Fury has never fought a man so much smaller than him. There's no reason to believe Marciano crouch doesn't force overreaching and that overraching is the whole entire point of the crouch. Once Fury's extended he's laid out.


No, I do not believe Tyson Fury has displayed Marciano stopping power or even close. The Sucka is a much better and far superior punch to anything Fury has ever thrown at any man. More power, more deception, just got Suzie'd in the end.

[Willie Pep 229]

You talking in circles homie. I'm holding back to see what'cha'got but honestly I don't reckon much.

Like already, you have an inconsistency to rationalize for me. Way before we get into film, records, sizes, etc.



Hmm, seems a confession to me. What you are saying is Fury's boxing skills got him looking at lights so he acquired some puncher's skills and techniques. Subtle differences that equate to extreme leaps in power.

Sounds like what you're saying is dropping some of that Ali **** in favor of some Marciano **** aided Fury quite a bit.

Followed by

So, assuming I know my ass from a hole when it comes to subtle differences like spotting a jab vs a jolt, I did make a whole thread and explain there is no such thing as an adjective jab because they are as different as any other punch and it's like calling an uppercut a vertical hook. Thumping jab, popular term, used even by trainers, just some made up bull**** from boxing focused *******s who forgot or never knew that punch has its own name and isn't a modified jab of any kind.

Let's just assume I know a little about punching and like the puncher I like because from my evaluation he is the least boxer ever and most puncher ever in the history of the gloved sport including Sullivan who was a BK guy and somehow managed less BK-era st**** than Rock.

The thing that gave Fury the edge against Wilder is beyond the realm of possibility for that edge to now go to Marciano?

If styles make fight, Kronk improved Fury, and Marciano is the OG master's master of the punching techniques I think edge goes to the destroyer of men, the man who knocked most of the people he ever faced into retirement, the man with more than just one broken bone or skull on his resume, and the man who actually beat a slew of very talented ATGs.

That's before size homie. I'll give you the edge on size for boxing technique but not punching. Punching does not favor big men, that's why all the historical heavy hitters are smaller, including Wilder himself.

So, if Fury's gonna box Rock he's done been KD'd hard by a man who does the same **** as Rock but without traps, without guile, and without forethought. Marciano is a thinking puncher. Do you honestly believe Ezzard Charles, greatest LHW ever, just stood there and watched Marciano leap across the ring with a super obvious overhand? Maybe he was tricked, maybe he was looking elsewhere. Or you can believe Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Joe Walcott, and Archie Moore, some of the slickest dudes ever period, just got so old their ****ing eyes don't work.

If Fury's going to punch he gives up his natural strength. He is huge compared to Marciano. That doesn't help him anywhere close, it gives Rocky room to do his work and Fury less reaction time to respond and nothing else.

What Fury needs is even more Marciano. He is incomplete. His own words suggest he's improved greatly since Wilder II in the power department. He claims he has 1-punch power now. Hmm, something Marciano already had. Let's see if he does have one-punch and if he is able to set traps for it. If not, the boxing traps he sets plays right into Marciano and even more so Dempsey.

Dempsey just destroys the guy tbh.

Where Marciano will bait a direct pull back then throw the overhead Dempsey will just get close and go to the body. Fury's not shown any ability to handle either.

Also, Tyson Fury has never fought a man so much smaller than him. There's no reason to believe Marciano crouch doesn't force overreaching and that overraching is the whole entire point of the crouch. Once Fury's extended he's laid out.


No, I do not believe Tyson Fury has displayed Marciano stopping power or even close. The Sucka is a much better and far superior punch to anything Fury has ever thrown at any man. More power, more deception, just got Suzie'd in the end.

. . . and he's soft in the gut. Wait till he faces a great body puncher . . . If such a thing still exists.

[Marchegiano]

. . . and he's soft in the gut. Wait till he faces a great body puncher . . . If such a thing still exists.

Since the issue has come up I've said I reckon Dempsey is the man made for making Tyson look bad.

Marciano there's a fight and you always have to give a big guy with movement a considerable chance. With Dempsey I'm pretty steadfast Jack can walk through him. Every single report, critical or acclaim, Jack's got great speed, great timing, can move inside like no one else's business, and above all else brings the heavy wallop. If I were making a character to beat up Tyson Fury he'd have all those traits. It's too perfect for Jack to assume Jack struggles much if any.

[GhostofDempsey]

You want us to believe that a guy who fought in the most boring HW title fight ever, against a faded Wlad (who is not an ATG to begin with), and a guy who struggled with Wallin, and almost got starched by Wilder...is going to beat every great HW that preceded him? Fury's success lies wholly in his 6'9" frame that has just enough agility and reflexes to offset the weakest HW division in the history of the sport.

There is a popular misconception that the old time HW's never fought large opponents. Dempsey made easy work of Willard and Fulton who were each around 6'6". Louis chopped up Carnera and Simon who were about 6'5". Marciano took down Johnny Shkor who stood nearly 6'5". Fury's additional 3" in height only makes him a bigger target for fighters who knew how to get on the inside, cut off the ring and work the body. It's also easier for a fighter to punch upwards, as opposed to downward, so these smaller old time HW's would actually get some additional leverage on their punches.