Which of the great Heavyweights never got a gift decision?

[StarshipTrooper]

Yeah true.

Harold Lederman

LOL.....JIM!
Poet

[1SILVA]

How I scored the fight got **** to do with bias FOR the fighter. At best I have a bias for the Philly styles. My kinds of fighters are Georgie Benton, Jimmy Young, Tim Witherspoon, Harold Johnson, the sweet technicians. I score fights of guys not from Philly in similar ways. Like I had Mayweather beating Castillo in the first fight, and I had James Toney beating Montell Griffin both times. The second Griffin fight was an absolute abomination.

The second fight between Toney and Griffin was one of the worst decisions in boxing history. The winner got a shot at Roy Jones, so it hurt even worse as Griffin defeated Jones in his next fight by dq. Jones had the nerve to criticize Toney after being robbed against Griffin

[1SILVA]

The guy that stands out the most to me, unquestionably, is Mike Tyson. If he won the fight, he WON the fight. I suppose if this question included gift stoppages, then the first Ruddock fight could come into question, not that Tyson was losing or in danger of losing that fight anyways. Nonetheless, that's not the question, and if it was it would look a whole lot worse for other great Heavyweights rather than Tyson.

SOME great Heavyweights who got gift decisions:

Ali (Norton III, Young)
Louis (Walcott I)
Holmes (Witherspoon)
Lewis (Mercer)
Holyfield (Bowe II, Mercer, Ruiz I)
Marciano (Roland LaStarza I, Ted Lowry I)
Sharkey (Renault, Schmeling II)

Feel free to add, disagree, etc. I purposefully left things out just to get responses.

Rid**** Bowe never won a disputed decision that went to the scorecards

[TheGreatA]

Rid**** Bowe never won a disputed decision that went to the scorecards

I think his decision win over Tony Tubbs was disputed by some. Tubbs did a good job in that fight.

The fight against journeyman Billy Zumbrun was also controversial but Bowe was a shot fighter by then.

[Paragon]

I dont see how Holmes' victory over Witherspoon should be disputed

[Obama]

I dont see how Holmes' victory over Witherspoon should be disputed

I'd suggest watching the fight again and scoring it round by round.

[JAB5239]

I'd suggest watching the fight again and scoring it round by round.

[COLOR="Navy"]Agreed. This was a very close fight that at the very least warranted a rematch as did the Carl Williams fight in my opinion. Haven't seen the Witherspoon fight in some time, but two judges split having it very close, while the third had it for Holmes by an unusually wide margin.[/COLOR]

[1SILVA]

I think his decision win over Tony Tubbs was disputed by some. Tubbs did a good job in that fight.

The fight against journeyman Billy Zumbrun was also controversial but Bowe was a shot fighter by then.

Yes, I forgot about the Zumbrun fight. Bowe had no business in the ring that night

[Burning Desire]

That is the biggest myth out there.

Larry Holmes beat Tim Witherpsoon clearly !! he threw more punches throughout and Witherspoon had a couple of strong rounds and was always keeping it competitive but he lost the fight clearly.

Neither Berbick or Witherspoon had the kind of success people like to believe. I think the Snipes fight is over exaggerated to because Larry was winning that fight when it was stopped imo.

I agree totally i think the biased commentary, made people think it was closer than it really was. I thought Larry Holmes sweeped most of the early rounds, yet the commentators were saying look how well, Tim Witherspoon was doing WTF ?

Larry Holmes was consistently ramming out his jab, and Tim Witherspoon would only come on late in the round. And when Tim Witherspoon danced around the ring, doing his Muhammad Ali. He was actually hardly landing nothing, yet people are fooled by this.

IMO i think Larry Holmes had the more consistent workrate, and he won a close but clear cut decision. Tim Witherspoon may of won his rounds more dramatically and clearer, but boxing is scored on a round by round basis. And round by round wise Larry Holmes won a close but clear decision IMO.

Infact i felt his fight with Carl Williams, was more controversial. I had Carl Williams clearly ahead until he run out of gas in the last 3 rounds. And Larry Holmes just about pulled it out by the skin of his teeth.

Larry Holmes did indeed get a gift off Maurice Harris though, but i don't really count that considering how old he was at the time.

[Burning Desire]

I think his decision win over Tony Tubbs was disputed by some. Tubbs did a good job in that fight.

The fight against journeyman Billy Zumbrun was also controversial but Bowe was a shot fighter by then.

Tony Tubbs clearly outboxed Rid**** Bowe IMO, Rid**** Bowe couldn't get any offense going. And he was clearly given a gift in that fight, a fight he for certain lost IMO.