Which of the great Heavyweights never got a gift decision?

**JAB5239** · 08-12-2009, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Obama

The guy that stands out the most to me, unquestionably, is Mike Tyson. If he won the fight, he WON the fight. I suppose if this question included gift stoppages, then the first Ruddock fight could come into question, not that Tyson was losing or in danger of losing that fight anyways. Nonetheless, that's not the question, and if it was it would look a whole lot worse for other great Heavyweights rather than Tyson.

SOME great Heavyweights who got gift decisions:

Ali (Norton III, Young)
Louis (Walcott I)
Holmes (Witherspoon)
Lewis (Mercer)
Holyfield (Bowe II, Mercer, Ruiz I)

Feel free to add, disagree, etc. I purposefully left things out just to get responses.

I don't think Sonny Liston ever got a gift decision, but I may be wrong.

**Gettin Jiggy** · 08-12-2009, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Obama

The guy that stands out the most to me, unquestionably, is Mike Tyson. If he won the fight, he WON the fight. I suppose if this question included gift stoppages, then the first Ruddock fight could come into question, not that Tyson was losing or in danger of losing that fight anyways. Nonetheless, that's not the question, and if it was it would look a whole lot worse for other great Heavyweights rather than Tyson.

SOME great Heavyweights who got gift decisions:

Ali (Norton III, Young)
Louis (Walcott I)
Holmes (Witherspoon)
Lewis (Mercer)
Holyfield (Bowe II, Mercer, Ruiz I)
Marciano (Roland LaStarza I, Ted Lowry I)

Feel free to add, disagree, etc. I purposefully left things out just to get responses.

dont know about lewis getting a gift against mercer, it was a close fight but i thought lewis won it and it's not known as a gift either, same goes for holyfield bowe2.

a real gift decision is louis/walcott 1

**Obama** · 08-12-2009, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by JAB5239

I don't think Sonny Liston ever got a gift decision, but I may be wrong.

I'd have to agree, but unlike Tyson, I haven't seen all of Sonny's meaningful fights so he's not at the forefront of my mind.

**Obama** · 08-12-2009, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by St Lion

dont know about lewis getting a gift against mercer, it was a close fight but i thought lewis won it and it's not known as a gift either, same goes for holyfield bowe2.

a real gift decision is louis/walcott 1

Ali/Young > Louis/Walcott I > Bowe/Holyfield II > Lewis/Mercer

**1SILVA** · 08-13-2009, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Obama

The guy that stands out the most to me, unquestionably, is Mike Tyson. If he won the fight, he WON the fight. I suppose if this question included gift stoppages, then the first Ruddock fight could come into question, not that Tyson was losing or in danger of losing that fight anyways. Nonetheless, that's not the question, and if it was it would look a whole lot worse for other great Heavyweights rather than Tyson.

SOME great Heavyweights who got gift decisions:

Ali (Norton III, Young)
Louis (Walcott I)
Holmes (Witherspoon)
Lewis (Mercer)
Holyfield (Bowe II, Mercer, Ruiz I)
Marciano (Roland LaStarza I, Ted Lowry I)
Sharkey (Renault, Schmeling II)

Feel free to add, disagree, etc. I purposefully left things out just to get responses.

Foreman(Axl Schulz)
Frazier(Oscar Bonavena)

I don't believe Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ever received a gift decision.

**Caesar** · 08-13-2009, 01:10 AM

marciano and gift decision? never see

**Thread Stealer** · 08-13-2009, 01:11 AM

I had Lewis-Mercer even. I haven't scored it in years, but I wouldn't classify it as a gift decision.

I had Holmes losing to Spoon by a point. Close enough that it could've gone either way, but I never scored his bout with C. Williams.

I had Frazier beating Bonavena when he got dropped twice, so I don't think Frazier ever got a gift decision in the fights I've seen. I've never seen the fight with Cummings however.

**sonnyboyx2** · 08-13-2009, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Obama

The guy that stands out the most to me, unquestionably, is Mike Tyson. If he won the fight, he WON the fight. I suppose if this question included gift stoppages, then the first Ruddock fight could come into question, not that Tyson was losing or in danger of losing that fight anyways. Nonetheless, that's not the question, and if it was it would look a whole lot worse for other great Heavyweights rather than Tyson.

SOME great Heavyweights who got gift decisions:

Ali (Norton III, Young)
Louis (Walcott I)
Holmes (Witherspoon)
Lewis (Mercer)
Holyfield (Bowe II, Mercer, Ruiz I)
Marciano (Roland LaStarza I, Ted Lowry I)
Sharkey (Renault, Schmeling II)

Feel free to add, disagree, etc. I purposefully left things out just to get responses.

NONE of those fights was a gift decision, close fights scored correctly

**Obama** · 08-13-2009, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by sonnyboyx2

NONE of those fights was a gift decision, close fights scored correctly

That's just silly, you haven't even seen all of those fights.

Which of the great Heavyweights never got a gift decision?