Who's prime is more overrated ?

[GJC]

And to answer the TS's question on who's prime was more overrated between Roy Jones and Mike Tyson, I would have to say Joe "bumbeater" Louis. That is my answer. Good day lads.

Phew that came out of the blue.
Still it was getting off topic and he does like to keep to the subject at hand so out of Tyson and RJJ it was Joe Louis.

[Poet682006]

Phew that came out of the blue.
Still it was getting off topic and he does like to keep to the subject at hand so out of Tyson and RJJ it was Joe Louis.

I would say that the comment wasn't germaine to the discussion except that the uneducated troll would doubtlessly think I was referring to the Krauts

Poet

[joseph5620]

Well, I tend to see Jones at Light-Heavy since he was a true Middleweight only VERY early in his career. I would say Jones would be competetive with the bottom half of the Light-Heavy ATGs. Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Archie Moore, and Bob Foster would probably be too tall an order. I would favor Michael Spinks over Roy but I think that's a very competetive fight that Jones could possibly even win: Call it Spinks 6 out of 10 fights.



Most of them. I tend to think that against Marciano and Frazier it's even-odds.....maybe even Dempsey though I would personally favor Jack.
Poet

Dempsey is more overrated than Tyson. Check out his resume. Fighters from the 20's 30's and 40's seem to get a pass for being overrated.

[Poet682006]

Dempsey is more overrated than Tyson. Check out his resume. Fighters from the 20's 30's and 40's seem to get a pass for being overrated.

And posters under 30 overrate anyone who fought post 1980 or 1990 under the assumption that every generation is better than the last. That's why you see completely moronic statements like "Mayweather's the best ever" and "The Klitschko's would smoke every other Heavyweight in history". Complete horse****.

Poet

[THE REED]

You mean pre-1980

Reed

[TheGreatA]

Louis wasn't even faster than Schmeling or Walcott. The lad had Max clamping on the ropes in pain, basicely DEFENSELESS, and he is throwing punches at him slower than old Foreman. You'd think he would try to get him out as fast as he can when he has a guy in front of him acting like a non moving heavy bag. That was a pathetic display of speed.

Louis' handspeed was comparable to Sonny Liston. Holyfield, Tyson, Ali, Patterson and many others were much much faster than bumbeater.

That Max Schmeling sure was slow.


1:35 no handspeed whatsoever...

Louis by the way looked the quicker of the two in the early rounds until Schmeling's pin-point accurate right hands took their toll.

Walcott had quick hands and feet but he wasn't exactly trading shots with Louis. He set him up for counter punches. The one time he did, in the 11th round of their second fight, he was beaten to the punch and knocked out.

That wasn't exactly a prime Louis either. Look at Tyson post-prison and compare it to that Louis.



Louis picked his punches against Schmeling and finished him off in the first round. Hardly a pathetic display.

[THE REED]

You mean pre-1980

Reed

Nevermind... read your post wrong.

[Mersey]

And posters under 30 overrate anyone who fought post 1980 or 1990 under the assumption that every generation is better than the last. That's why you see completely moronic statements like "Mayweather's the best ever" and "The Klitschko's would smoke every other Heavyweight in history". Complete horse****.

Poet

That's very true. I find myself doing that sometimes. I'm not old enough to have a proper discussion about pre-90's boxer.

[Poet682006]

That's very true. I find myself doing that sometimes. I'm not old enough to have a proper discussion about pre-90's boxer.

Don't get me wrong, it isn't the entire under-30 bracket that does that. Those pre-1980 fights are in abundance over on the Video Trading Block and a number of under-30 posters eat those up and are quite knowledgable about the earlier eras.

Really, though, I think the ones who drive me nuts are the ones who HAVE seen earlier fights but still act like nobody prior to 1980 knew how to fight and in-ring strategy was only invented in the last 10 years (ie. we know how to deal with that type of fighter THESE days, nobody did then ect.)

Poet

[joseph5620]

And posters under 30 overrate anyone who fought post 1980 or 1990 under the assumption that every generation is better than the last. That's why you see completely moronic statements like "Mayweather's the best ever" and "The Klitschko's would smoke every other Heavyweight in history". Complete horse****.

Poet

Well, you'll never read any post of mine claiming that. But the point is I can go back and look at fighters like Dempsey who many claim to be one of the greatest and tear his resume to shreds. Even more so than Tyson's. It works both ways.Old timers tend to favor people from their era just like the younger fans favor people from their's. I have np problem with it until they become unrealistic and too biased.