(Poll) SRR the greatest of all time? According to Ali - Yes!

[GJC]

lol @ Rocky love

The guy hit harder then..oh that's right..Ricky Hatton, but by only 100 lbs of force.

Hatton = 900 lbs

Rocky = 1000 lbs

Myth of Rocky's punching power now has dissolved..

for the record of those saying he had a heavyweight frame, the Man's chest was smaller than Juan Manuel Marquez's.

just some random pointless facts I thought I would throw in there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/6228040.stm

Had a shorter reach than Barry McGuigan too was a fact that always stuck in my mind.
Have to factor in heart stamina and chin too, don't underestimate Marciano think he would have let everyone know they were in a fight.

[StarshipTrooper]

To completely change the subject, Louis v Marciano?
Forgetting the actual fight which counts for little, ten fights how many does Marciano win?
I rate Louis as the better fighter but do fancy in that cut ignoring era with his chin and Suzi Q against Louis dropping his left that Marciano would nick 3 of them. Fair?

I'd say Louis probably wins 7-8 out of 10. I don't think Marciano gets counted out but I do think he ends up getting sparred from more punishment by the referee. Rocky gets beaten up and have more heart then is good for his health someone else has to pull his plug.

Poet

[them_apples]

Had a shorter reach than Barry McGuigan too was a fact that always stuck in my mind.
Have to factor in heart stamina and chin too, don't underestimate Marciano think he would have let everyone know they were in a fight.

Hatton actually hits at about 882 lbs of force like the article said, rocky was always measured at about 1000 lbs of force (just google it). Not a huge difference when it's a JWW being compared to a supposed Heavyweight.

so now it comes down to skill, since his insane power is a myth as I always thought. It was more so his workrate.

[GJC]

I'd say Louis probably wins 7-8 out of 10. I don't think Marciano gets counted out but I do think he ends up getting sparred from more punishment by the referee. Rocky gets beaten up and have more heart then is good for his health someone else has to pull his plug.

Poet

Agreed he would get stopped in an era of more compasionate refereeing. I always give him a shot in his era simply because you can rely on him still being there swinging at the 15th.

[GJC]

Hatton actually hits at about 882 lbs of force like the article said, rocky was always measured at about 1000 lbs of force (just google it). Not a huge difference when it's a JWW being compared to a supposed Heavyweight.

so now it comes down to skill, since his insane power is a myth as I always thought. It was more so his workrate.

Not saying he had insane power but you are not going to knock the guy out he was always 100% prepared to fight and had superb stamina. 1000lbs of power, i'll take your word for it as I don't know about these scientific measurements to be honest. But I do know that no one would want to take his shots in the later rounds of a 15 round fight.

[StarshipTrooper]

Hatton actually hits at about 882 lbs of force like the article said, rocky was always measured at about 1000 lbs of force (just google it). Not a huge difference when it's a JWW being compared to a supposed Heavyweight.

so now it comes down to skill, since his insane power is a myth as I always thought. It was more so his workrate.

I'd take articles like that with a dose of salt though. Genrally speaking, any of the stories regarding PSI measurements that are supposed to have taken place prior to 1980 are apocraphal.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Not saying he had insane power but you are not going to knock the guy out he was always 100% prepared to fight and had superb stamina. 1000lbs of power, i'll take your word for it as I don't know about these scientific measurements to be honest. But I do know that no one would want to take his shots in the later rounds of a 15 round fight.

I think the difference is that Marciano was never in the ring with a fighter that had the combination of one-punch power, rediculous accuracy, and fast hands as like a prime Louis had. Simply too much punishment to take even given the lenient refereeing of the era.

Poet

[Obama]

As if beating Carnera, one of the worst champions of all time, is something to write home about. Walcott was shoulders above Baer in every way. The man gave 2 top 10 ATG Heavyweights a good run for their money. But Baer was pissing himself in his dressing room because he was so affraid to get into the ring with one.

I can definitely name 20 Heavyweight Champions worse than Carnera. He's not even the worst undisputed Heavyweight Champion. Carnera at his best was a damn good fighter. His fight with Jack Sharkey was perhaps his greatest performance.

Walcott gave a post prime Joe Louis a run for his money, and I don't consider Marciano a top 10 Heavyweight. Max Baer had the balls to fight a prime Joe Louis, you slander him on rumors that he pissed himself in the dressing room before the fight? Walcott never stepped in the ring with something that dangerous, so essentially calling Baer a ***** is plain foolhardy.

[Obama]

lol @ Rocky love

The guy hit harder then..oh that's right..Ricky Hatton, but by only 100 lbs of force.

Hatton = 900 lbs

Rocky = 1000 lbs

Myth of Rocky's punching power now has dissolved..

for the record of those saying he had a heavyweight frame, the Man's chest was smaller than Juan Manuel Marquez's.

just some random pointless facts I thought I would throw in there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/6228040.stm

Can I get a source for Marciano's punching power? I didn't see it in the Hatton article.

[GJC]

I can definitely name 20 Heavyweight Champions worse than Carnera. He's not even the worst undisputed Heavyweight Champion. Carnera at his best was a damn good fighter. His fight with Jack Sharkey was perhaps his greatest performance.

Walcott gave a post prime Joe Louis a run for his money, and I don't consider Marciano a top 10 Heavyweight. Max Baer had the balls to fight a prime Joe Louis, you slander him on rumors that he pissed himself in the dressing room before the fight? Walcott never stepped in the ring with something that dangerous, so essentially calling Baer a ***** is plain foolhardy.

Max Baer wasn't an ATG but was a pretty good fighter. Could have pushed himself far higher up the ATG ratings with more dedication IMO