(Poll) SRR the greatest of all time? According to Ali - Yes!

[glidesmack]

Maybe I'm a contrarian trying to prove I'm smart, but here's an argument. To me, the top pfp guy all time, if he's fighting at middleweight, has to be able to beat joey maxim at light heavyweight, very decisively. Even if it's 200 degrees. Plain and simple. Ray outboxed him, got tired, and collapsed. Sure it was 200 degrees, but it wasn't any cooler in maxim's corner.

Fighting at 160, I think a ton of guys would have beat joey maxim, most notably, at least historically,

jack dempsey
mike tyson
bob fitzsimmons
harry greb
muhammad ali
henry armstrong
even bernard hopkins

I think dempsey, fitz, tyson and armstrong all would have knocked maxim out.

Not all those guys are in the running for pfp alltime, but some of them are.

Also, part of me wants the PFP best all time to be a guy who could do major damage in a brawl, since a lot of fights in real life are like that. I think mike, jack, and greb would do better out of the ring.

[StarshipTrooper]

Maybe I'm a contrarian trying to prove I'm smart, but here's an argument. To me, the top pfp guy all time, if he's fighting at middleweight, has to be able to beat joey maxim at light heavyweight, very decisively. Even if it's 200 degrees. Plain and simple. Ray outboxed him, got tired, and collapsed. Sure it was 200 degrees, but it wasn't any cooler in maxim's corner.

Fighting at 160, I think a ton of guys would have beat joey maxim, most notably, at least historically,

jack dempsey
mike tyson
bob fitzsimmons
harry greb
muhammad ali
henry armstrong
even bernard hopkins

I think dempsey, fitz, tyson and armstrong all would have knocked maxim out.

Not all those guys are in the running for pfp alltime, but some of them are.

Also, part of me wants the PFP best all time to be a guy who could do major damage in a brawl, since a lot of fights in real life are like that. I think mike, jack, and greb would do better out of the ring.

When was the last time Ali and Tyson weighed 160? When they were 8 years old? As for Robinson's problems with the heat in the Maxim fight; some people are more succeptable to heat stroke then others. It isn't considered a "trait" when used to compare fighters as it's only an issue in very unusual circumstances such at the Maxim fight.

PS. Whether a fighter gets the KO or not is rather immaterial. There are plenty of undisputed ATGs that where not KO punchers (see Willie Pep). Some people may find KOs entertaining but the entertainment factor isn't a measure of how good a fighter is.

Poet

[TheGreatA]

People should not forget that Robinson started at lightweight and actually beat the lightweight champion Sammy Angott in a non-title bout.

And Armstrong doesn't beat Joey Maxim. To suggest that he could KO Maxim is utterly ridiculous.

[JMM-PAC]

People should not forget that Robinson started at lightweight and actually beat the lightweight champion Sammy Angott in a non-title bout.

And Armstrong doesn't beat Joey Maxim. To suggest that he could KO Maxim is utterly ridiculous.

yo dude, y have you changed your name from the machine to the great a. and have you got another account called the machine? because there is another machine.

whats going on lol

[TheGreatA]

People should not forget that Robinson started at lightweight and actually beat the lightweight champion Sammy Angott in a non-title bout.

And Armstrong doesn't beat Joey Maxim. To suggest that he could KO Maxim is utterly ridiculous.

You could also say that if Dempsey can't beat Fireman Flynn, Tyson can't beat Buster Douglas, Danny Williams, Kevin McBride, Fitzsimmons can't beat Jim Hall, Muhammad Ali can't beat Leon Spinks, Bernard Hopkins can't beat Jermain Taylor, Harry Greb can't beat Mike O'Dowd, etc. then they shouldn't be considered anywhere near the p4p number 1... You could say that about any fighter.

[TheGreatA]

yo dude, y have you changed your name from the machine to the great a. and have you got another account called the machine? because there is another machine.

whats going on lol

Someone thought it would be funny to create an account with my previous nickname (TheManchine) so I decided to change it to avoid any confusion.

[JMM-PAC]

Someone thought it would be funny to create an account with my previous nickname (TheManchine) so I decided to change it to avoid any confusion.

but how, when you can't have the same username as another person? how has he done it, as you were here before him?

when he typed in the machine for his username, it should of come up this username is in use?

[GJC]

To me, the top pfp guy all time, if he's fighting at middleweight, has to be able to beat joey maxim at light heavyweight, very decisively. Even if it's 200 degrees. Plain and simple. Ray outboxed him, got tired, and collapsed. Sure it was 200 degrees, but it wasn't any cooler in maxim's corner.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong here but to put the conditions of the Maxim v Robinson fight into perspective but I believe the referee collapsed from heat exhaustion long before SRR. Credit to Maxim for coping with the heat better than SRR but it was only the heat that beat SRR that night.
As for pfp greatness being based on being able to move out of your weight and beat other fighters surely that kind of defeats the point of measuring fighters in the context of p4p?

[Southpaw16BF]

I think dempsey, fitz, tyson and armstrong all would have knocked maxim out.

What? Henry Armstrong would have knocked out Joey Maxim. This is one of the most bogus comments I have ever heard. You do realize in his peak years Maxim was never stopped. Out of 115 fights he was only ever stopped early in his career when he was only 21 years of age.

And you do realize Jersey Joe Walcott, Sugar Ray Robinson and Archie Moore all could not KO Maxim out, and all these were harder punchers than Armstrong and weighed alot more.

Armstrong cound't stop alot less tougher fighters than Maxim. I'am 99.9% than Henry Armstrong would not stop Joey Maxim.

[glidesmack]

Alright. Cut the ****. I say 1919 jack dempsey, scaled down to 160, knocks maxim's head off. They said ray could "rip punches like dempsey." He couldn't. Dempsey threw his left hook from a southpaw stance like a haymaker and it was harder pfp than any hook ray ever threw, even against fullmer.