Wladimir Klitschko

[GJC]

A savvy LH named Monte Marty Maybelle Marshall busted Liston's jaw and made himself otherwise unavailable to be killed and took a decision from him near his prime.

No, it was in his 6th or 7th fight and about 5 years before LIston's peak.

[StarshipTrooper]

No, it was in his 6th or 7th fight and about 5 years before LIston's peak.

He also fails to mention that when they met a second time Liston KOed Marshall in 6.

Poet

[GJC]

He also fails to mention that when they met a second time Liston KOed Marshall in 6.

Poet

Or the 3rd time, but still why spoil a theory

[Hawkins]

** Nice little gay icon you got there sweetie pie.

I agree, it fits a lot of the things that come from you right nicely.

Wlad doesn't collect disputed decisions like lint. He knocks people out. There is a method to produce an conclusive, concussive final end.

And he does that it very well against has-beens, never weres and tomato cans. Well except for Ross Puritty and Corrie Sanders. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt against Brewster seeing as he did avenge the loss..but he did get KOed in the first place, something that never happened to Ali in the prime of his career..come to think of it, never happened in the twilight of his career either.

Still haven't proven that anything Wlad has done is anywhere comparable to Ali's win against Foreman. Does it take you this long to conjure up more bull****?

His record is open to legit plaudits and critiques just as is Ali's.

Legit? Kind of takes you out of the loop with alot of the garbage you spew now doesn't it?

It ain't fact that 40 yr old Sonny is gonna demolish Byrd, it's unsupported conjecture. He never won a bout against a top heavy after his demolition of the heavily padded and protected Patterson who has my utmost respect for breaking with Cus's wishes and fighting the beast. Floyd fought him head on, not Byrd's style.

If someone as unproven (and yes Ike is/was unproven against top competition) as Ike could take out Byrd then someone of Sonny's stature surely would and in just as brutal of a fashion. Byrd does not have the firepower to keep someone like Liston at bay for an entire fight.

A savvy LH named Monte Marty Maybelle Marshall busted Liston's jaw and made himself otherwise unavailable to be killed and took a decision from him near his prime. Of course Byrd got tracked down and blasted out by Ike, a bigger, more fearsome Liston, but Byrd also took a decision against Tua and fought well against other big men, getting most of those decisions.

You always present things but leave out pieces of the puzzle.... glad to see you're consistent. Regardless, I can't believe you use Tua in a comparison with how Byrd could do with Liston. But I'm not going to expound on something that will fall on deaf ears.

Facts are you don't know facts from fantastical farces that you dream up in your soft still under construction noggin......

This coming from the nut job who thinks Wladimir Klitschko's career is comparable to Muhammad Ali?

[LondonRingRules]

No, it was in his 6th or 7th fight and about 5 years before LIston's peak.

** Sorry there, Sunny Jim, pay attention, I said near his prime.

He turned pro at 22 according to his bogus birth cert he conjured up years later, but everyone knew he was more like 25, prime traditional age for heavies, indeed, most fighters.

He had extensive prep from pros in prison and was coming off of two consecutive wins over the highly regarded Summerlin, no choirboy he against little Monte. The reason Sonnyboy's "peak" came so late was down to his prison stint interupting his career just as he was entering fringe prospect stage. Might have even cracked the top ten just before his incarceration.

Personally, I sorta like the Big Bear, but this notion of him as a monster best understood that most of the guys he looked like a monster against were well under 200 lbs.

Facts are Byrd was better and beat better than any heavy Sonny ever beat. Byrd is one of the few who can make himself extremely tough against most styles. Not much smaller than Liston either or young Clay and near as speedy as Clay from a soutpaw stance.

[LondonRingRules]

If someone as unproven (and yes Ike is/was unproven against top competition) as Ike could take out Byrd then someone of Sonny's stature surely would and in just as brutal of a fashion. Byrd does not have the firepower to keep someone like Liston at bay for an entire fight.

** Need get your mama to change out that dim bulb the next time she swaps out your diapers sonnyboy.

Ike was a touted Foreman like contender, 19-0 against 26-0 Byrd. Ike had previously beat the heavily touted 27-0 Tua in a record setting heavyweight bout now of legendary status. Helluva lot more proven than young Clay with the same record, blasted out of his skull by a little journeyman who had to wear ankle weights to make the heavy limit and then arguably outclassed and out slugged by another smallish LH barely making the heavy limit on the eve of his title challenge.

Like I say junior, Sonny never beat another top heavy after the ill fated Patterson series that convinced him he only needed to train for 6 rds. 40 yr old Sonny to be run into circles until his collapses without Byrd needing to lay a glove on him.

[JiggaJayZ]

Wladmir is great for this era, but he would get destroyed by a lot of top heavyweights in history. I don't think he is top 20 heavyweights

[GJC]

** Sorry there, Sunny Jim, pay attention, I said near his prime.

He turned pro at 22 according to his bogus birth cert he conjured up years later, but everyone knew he was more like 25, prime traditional age for heavies, indeed, most fighters.

He had extensive prep from pros in prison and was coming off of two consecutive wins over the highly regarded Summerlin, no choirboy he against little Monte. The reason Sonnyboy's "peak" came so late was down to his prison stint interupting his career just as he was entering fringe prospect stage. Might have even cracked the top ten just before his incarceration.

Personally, I sorta like the Big Bear, but this notion of him as a monster best understood that most of the guys he looked like a monster against were well under 200 lbs.

Facts are Byrd was better and beat better than any heavy Sonny ever beat. Byrd is one of the few who can make himself extremely tough against most styles. Not much smaller than Liston either or young Clay and near as speedy as Clay from a soutpaw stance.

So 5 years is near?

[tunayflip]

Why doesnt klitschko get the same respect as former great fighters who were saftey first, had defence and always wasnt great to watch, such as jack johnson and gene tunney, tommy loughran, maxie rosenbloom. Wladimir has never avoided no one and is the true art of boxing hit and not be hit. After he shuts haye up i think he will get his due respect as a truly great fighter. On a side note how can bert sugar give this man no respect when he ranks fighters as maxi rosenbloom so high who got the nick name slapsie maxi cos he didnt want to commit to a puch so he would just slap or paw his punches. Bert is full of bull ****!

i have a problem with the way his fights our set up recently he fought Hasim Rahman only givin him 2 weeks to train and then he had to fly to Germany to fight? i also think its because he won't fight his brother which i can understand but the its best fight for heavyweights right now and they won't fight each other

[LondonRingRules]

So 5 years is near?

** Sunny Jim, it goes like this:

With back to back wins over Johnny Summerlin, entering the flower of his physical prime and in obvious ascendency, yup, near prime.

Certainly much closer to prime than when Wlad was upset by Puritty who was only something like 60 lbs and a half foot taller than little Monte Marty Maybelle Marshall to reorient the discussion to the thread header.

5 yrs later Sonny's entering his peak, only delayed by legal problems and lack of opportunity.