Wladimir Klitschko

[StarshipTrooper]

I see a Liston Byrd fight being simialar to Byrd-Ike Ibeabuchi, Byrd may have speed over Sonny, but after a few rounds Liston starts landing power punchers, and traps Byrd in the corner while he lands with hard combination power punchers and it is goodnight for Byrd.......

I also feel Oscar Natalio Bonavena could use his strength and toughness to grind out a decision against Sultan Ibragimov, medicore Ray Ausin had alot of success using his strength and brute force to drop Sultan and manage a draw against him.

I feel Bonavena is better skilled than Austin, tougher, and most likely stronger, and Austin caused Sultan trouble with these tools and so could Bonavena. A rather close fight

And the Ali who beat Joe Frazier, no dout would have to much heart, strength and punch to hard for the decent Jameel McCline, I have dout Frazier takes a KO Victory here...

I find it rather laughable how much LRR dislikes Ali........What's he saying is Wlad's resume of opponets fought could beat most of the 70's Heavyweight Era, which is considered to be one of the best Heavyweights Era's ever.

There are some misguided posters on BS that think that the current era (regardless of division) is ALWAYS the best ever.....that every generation is exponentially superior to the one that came before it. Now I don't know if this is a complete misreading on their part of Darwinian evolution or if it's mearly the conceit of the young (who are immortal and know everything unlike us ******, inferior OLD people).

Poet

[Hawkins]

There are some misguided posters on BS that think that the current era (regardless of division) is ALWAYS the best ever.....that every generationg is exponentially superior to the one that came before it. Now I don't know if this is a complete misreading on their part of Darwinian evolution or if it's mearly the conceit of the young (who are immortal and know everything unlike us ******, inferior OLD people).

Poet

I think a majority of that sort of thinking is just biasness toward a certain fighter. I think alot of people who dismiss earlier eras are slanted toward the current era because thats what they see the most of. In some cases they just don't what the hell they are talking about.

[GJC]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid. Now I don't know if this is a complete misreading on their part of Darwinian evolution [/COLOR]

Must say I've never heard Ali called the last of the small Heavyweights!

[LondonRingRules]

Jameel McCline against Frazier? You'd pick a no heart, even less talented, McCline to go against Smokin' Joe and only favor Frazier marginally so? McCline may be big but is nowhere near the class of Big George Foreman and the chances of him beating Frazier are nil. Frazier gets in and goes to work and Big Time folds like a cheap beach chair.

Quarry has more talent, more heart and is 20 times tougher than Samuel Peter will ever be. In a head to head I would pick Quarry to get in the trenches and eventually KO Peter. Sam Peter is one of the most overrated of our current crop of fighters and has absolutely no business being compared to someone of Quarry's ability. He may be bigger but he has shown no heart, nor the ability to beat anyone of any substance.

And your claim Byrd would run away from and outclass Liston? How exactly is Byrd going to keep Liston off of him? Byrd is faster than Liston but he is nothing compared to Ali's combination of size and skill. Liston would annihilate Byrd. Liston's power would be too much for Byrd to overcome. He has a decent chin but he would get starched by Sonny.

I see you conveniently ignore Foreman, to be expected I guess. At least you saved us from a long winded explanation on how Corrie Sanders would have ***** slapped Big George.

It's unfathomable to me to see you compare this era to the 70's.

** Sweet dear, McCline for whatever his faults was in ascendency when he fought Wlad. Frazier was in a major health decline when Ali beat him in the rematch, yet somehow, me making Frazier a slight fav fills your shorts to their limit.

Quarry had talent, and Bob Fitz had even more talent, and neither don't stand an igloo's chance in hell of surviving undefeated Peter.

Liston never beat a fighter of Byrd's class after he consecutively demolished the ill advised come forward style of Floyd. Man was pushin' 40 yrs of age and didn't have the legs to go chase down Byrd who was the underrated fighter of his era. Lewis sold his belt rather than face his Byrd mandatory, and Lewis was still at his prime.

Read it and weep...........

[Hawkins]

** Sweet dear, McCline for whatever his faults was in ascendency when he fought Wlad. Frazier was in a major health decline when Ali beat him in the rematch, yet somehow, me making Frazier a slight fav fills your shorts to their limit.

Quarry had talent, and Bob Fitz had even more talent, and neither don't stand an igloo's chance in hell of surviving undefeated Peter.

Liston never beat a fighter of Byrd's class after he consecutively demolished the ill advised come forward style of Floyd. Man was pushin' 40 yrs of age and didn't have the legs to go chase down Byrd who was the underrated fighter of his era. Lewis sold his belt rather than face his Byrd mandatory, and Lewis was still at his prime.

Read it and weep...........

An "ascending" Jameel McCline is still not comparable to Joe Frazier in any capacity. While we're one the subject, what exactly was Jameel McCline ascending to? Mediocrity? You make it as if Jameel McCline actually achieved something of note. Just how would he keep Frazier off of him? He has no jab of note, sure he always claimed he was going to use his length and pump the jab but rarely did he. He was particularly clumsy..hell, let's face it Jameel McCline has never been any good. Joe Frazier would stay on him and chop him down to size. Frazier KO RD 7.

I stand by earlier assertion of Peter/Quarry.....

A fighter of Byrd's class? What exactly did he do of note to be considered in Liston's class in the pantheon of all-time greats? Liston would catch up to Byrd and KO him, brutally I might add.

Remind me again why you keep bringing up Lennox Lewis?

[StarshipTrooper]

Originally Posted by LondonRingRules
** Well, you may be stuck in Poet's 8th grade remedial class in the uneducable category.

You know how I know I've made someone my *****? When they SCREAM my name in every post they make!

Poet

[GJC]

Well I'm learning a lot here! Still would like to know the names of these quick elusive southpaws that Ali, Liston and Lewis struggle with. Theoretically maybe true but names would be nice. So far i've got Mildenberger and Dunn for Ali who maybe got 3 rounds between them after that I'm struggling. As for Byrd, McCline and Peter I will certainly look on them in a whole new light. I'd fancy Frazier against them all now!

[GJC]

unlike us ******, inferior OLD people).

Poet

You're 40! I have cardigans older than you!

[StarshipTrooper]

You're 40! I have cardigans older than you!

Yeah, but you know how these kids think: A person hits 30 and all of a sudden they're OLD and ******.....Didn't you know 20 somethings know EVERYTHING? And they're IMMORTAL too So many 20 somethings could use what the Romans had for their conquering generals: When a general returned to Rome victorious stand behing him as he rode in his chariot holding the victor's laurel over his head was a slave who would wisper in the general's ear "Remember thou art mortal....."

PS. Yes, I'm classically educated.....no thanks to the public school system though.

Poet

[JAB5239]

Bugner and Dunn disliked each other a lot (no idea why), which probably explains the rare show of aggression from Joe.

The Dunn-Williams fight took place in the UK in the mid-70s. Considering how highly regarded Williams was by Ali (who used him as a sparring partner), Holmes and Shavers, it's always been a result that's puzzled me.

According to Larry Holmes, Williams was a fearsome fighter who just had bad management and couldn't catch a break. After Ali-Foreman, where Williams fight got scratched because of a late start, Roy demanded Ali pay him anyway. Ali called for a sparring session where Williams was all to willing to oblige and went toe to toe with Ali for 10 rounds cursing him the whole time. The next day they did another 10 with the same results and Ali finally relented, Gave Roy his money and promptly sent him packing.

Another story according to Holmes has Larry at one of Williams fights and was cheering him on when Roy turned to him in the middle of the fight and told him to "shut the **** up!". Makes you wonder how mant other deserving fighters there have been that have never gotten a break because of bad management or lack of the right connections. I know Holmes thought very highly of Roy Williams as a fighter.