Why is it Marciano still talked about like he is this all time great fighter when

[StarshipTrooper]

You have got to be joking. When a SPORT and its ATHLETES evolve, it usually means that the TIMES change as well as the technology, not humans themselves. Today's athletes have state of the art training facilities, nutritional supplements, advanced strength and conditioning coaches and drills, etc. etc. That's what I meant when I said that the sport evolves.

Which means, if you take an "old-timer" and place him today's enviroment he would be able to take advantage of ALL those contemporary benefits while a "modern" placed back then would NOT have those things. Checkmate.

Poet

[AztecWanker]

Which means, if you take an "old-timer" and place him today's enviroment he would be able to take advantage of ALL those contemporary benefits while a "modern" placed back then would NOT have those things. Checkmate.

Poet

Sure, we can also place Wladimir Klitshcko in an old Angelo Dundee training camp and see if he doesn't kill his sparring partners.

[StarshipTrooper]

Sure, we can also place Wladimir Klitshcko in an old Angelo Dundee training camp and see if he doesn't kill his sparring partners.

More like kill himself tripping over his 2 left feet trying to even land on Ali.

PS. Whoever gave you the "gift of gab" was apparently an indian giver as you didn't get **** out of it.

Poet

[AztecWanker]

More like kill himself tripping over his 2 left feet trying to even land on Ali.

PS. Whoever gave you the "gift of gab" was apparently an indian giver as you didn't get **** out of it.

Poet

Ali was never part of the discussion. To me, Ali is a fighter that can be competitive in any era. But it's hard to say that Wlad couldn't land anything on Ali in the sense that Ali held his hands too low alot of the times. Wlad's jab is fast, crisp and precise and that right hand is a beast. I would give him a puncher's chance against Ali, why not? Or is that another ridiculous statement? Another thing if you're trying to insult me, keep trying it won't work. I'm the younger (and apparently the immature one) one, but you are the one throwing insults left and right, good job.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ali was never part of the discussion. To me, Ali is a fighter that can be competitive in any era.

Hey, you're the one who brought up Angelo Dundee's gym.

But it's hard to say that Wlad couldn't land anything on Ali in the sense that Ali held his hands too low alot of the times. Wlad's jab is fast, crisp and precise and that right hand is a beast.

Ali could do that because he was faster than any other Heavyweight in history.

I would give him a puncher's chance against Ali, why not?

Because George Foreman, Sonny Liston, and Earnie Shavers (all harder punchers than Sad Wlad) couldn't do it so why would anyone with half a brain think Wlad the Short Bus Rider could?

Or is that another ridiculous statement?

Yes it was.

Another thing if you're trying to insult me, keep trying it won't work. I'm the younger (and apparently the immature one) one, but you are the one throwing insults left and right, good job.

I don't have to try and insult you. All I do is hold up your patently idiotic statements for the ridicule it deserves.

Poet

[them_apples]

Ali was never part of the discussion. To me, Ali is a fighter that can be competitive in any era. But it's hard to say that Wlad couldn't land anything on Ali in the sense that Ali held his hands too low alot of the times. Wlad's jab is fast, crisp and precise and that right hand is a beast. I would give him a puncher's chance against Ali, why not? Or is that another ridiculous statement? Another thing if you're trying to insult me, keep trying it won't work. I'm the younger (and apparently the immature one) one, but you are the one throwing insults left and right, good job.

a punchers chance? Ali faced much harder punchers than Wlad. I'm sure he'd land a few times, but winning is out of the question for Wlad lol.

[TheGreatA]

Manchine, is there any chance you could do Ibragimov-Wlad in that grainy style 20's film you once had Vitaly in? I would love for some of these bozo's to see what their heroes would look like fighting on the same type of film that the fighters from the past fought on. The erxcuses would be endless.

Oh that would be priceless

Poet

Sounds like a good idea. I'll give it a try.

It's a little late but here it is:



Primo Carnera vs Joe Louis:

[them_apples]

It's a little late but here it is:



Primo Carnera vs Joe Louis:

It doesn't look as bad as I expected, maybe it's because you sped it up to much. They seem to be scared of each other though.

[DarchinyFAN]

I'm also a fan of boxrec.com.

I suggest you read this while you're at it.

BoxRec is a GREAT resource, but it can also be bad in the hands of people that don't know how to research and put things into context.

[TheGreatA]

It doesn't look as bad as I expected, maybe it's because you sped it up to much. They seem to be scared of each other though.

It looks like a slapping contest to me, which is practically what the fight was.