Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[travestyny]

Yep, two contracts signed and no money from Wills side. Wills ducks Tunney for his shot at Dempsey and loses his biggest career payday. Gets KTFO any a journeyman. Lol.

At least Dempsey was still green coming into the fight with Lester. No shame in having tough fights in your third year as a pro.

Wills got KTFO by Cotton, who Johnson also ducked. Johnson got KTFO by Choynski and worked over by O’Brien. He didn’t even offer O’Brien and Ross real title shots, the title was only on the line if they could win by KO, talk about a rigged game.

Still can’t get over Johnson settling for a paltry $1K while ducking Jeannette. Pathetic.

Dude. You realize that your idol ducked his #1 contender for something like 6 years and never even fought a black man again after one of them broke three of his ribs, right?


I mean for you to keep talking shlt about other boxers when that is on your idols ledger. Please. Harry Wills resume destroy's Dempsey's. On top of the fact that Dempsey ran from him his entire career, as one of your own links admits. I think you should be quiet


You can talk about losses but the name of the game is fighting. Your guy wouldn't fight. Period.

[QueensburyRules]

I don't know what you mean by side bets.

- - That's why everyone disqualifies U automatically from the discussion.

It be like U was born yesterday.

[travestyny]

- - That's why everyone disqualifies U automatically from the discussion.

It be like U was born yesterday.

Oh hello!

It's the geriatric that said there was an offer from Dempsey to fight Wills in 2001. Have you taken your medication today, Cletus?

[QueensburyRules]

Oh hello!

It's the geriatric that said there was an offer from Dempsey to fight Wills in 2001. Have you taken your medication today, Cletus?

- - BS weren't around in 2001, but U in U Barney BigBoys then...priceless.

[Willie Pep 229]

I know more than you, being that I've taught you so much and have you ducking me

Tell us all you knew about Fitz before I told you about what happened. You didn't even know about the contract, fool. You came in trying to repeat the story of the contract one day here after I told you about it, and you had all the details wrong and I had to correct you

I'm like your father here, and you're ungrateful because I told you Santa Claus isn't real. Get a grip on reality, son



Oh...and weren't you the guy who made an entire thread claiming Wills ducked Dempsey and I had you eat your words


Do you want me to go find the thread? I can do that if you'd like. LMAO. You really thought you had something and you were so proud of yourself until I posted there and made you realize that you know nothing.

Yes you did bring in the appellate court decision to the forum and that was new info for me. And I learned from it. That was a good thing. At that time we were having good conversations and each debate was enlightening.

That isn't happening anymore.

How about instead of you spit balling what we say why don't you lay out a narrative as to what occured between July 1921 and Kearns signing with Shebly in Janurary 1923.

I want to hear your narrative- you don't even have to PROVE any of it, just your opinion.

It starts in fall '21 end just after New Year 1923.

That was the period New York started to call big time for the Wills match.

Tell me what happened.

P.S. at the time you didn't really know or understand the the court decision either. We flushed that out as a group learning off eachother. You just didn't like the way I interpret the outcome as a legal defeat for Dempsey but and actual economic victory that made the Chicago contract look trivial.

don't just pull up a cherry picker post where I am learning pull up all the threads.

[travestyny]

- - BS weren't around in 2001, but U in U Barney BigBoys then...priceless.

I would say that you're playing dumb, but you're more than likely just dumb and suffering from dementia.

[travestyny]

Yes you did bring in the appellate court decision to the forum and that was new info for me. And I learned from it. That was a good thing. At that time we were having good conversations and each debate was enlightening.

That isn't happening anymore.

How about instead of you spit balling what we say why don't you lay out a narrative as to what occured between July 1921 and Kearns signing with Shebly in Janurary 1923.

I want to hear your narrative- you don't even have to PROVE any of it, just your opinion.

It stars in fall '21 end just after New Year 1923.

That was the period New York started to call big time for the Wills match.

Tell me what happened.

P.S. at the time you didn't really know or understand the the court decision either. We flushed that out as a group learning off eachother. You just didn't like the way I interpret the outcome as a legal defeat for Dempsey but and actual economic victory that made the Chicago contract look trivial.

don't just pull up a cherry picker post where I am learning pull up all the threads.

Cry cry cry.

This is the way you obviously wanted it to be. I was clear when I entered this thread that you guys should stop with the insults and just discuss the topic. You kept going. I'm giving you what you wanted with regards to the pettiness.

Sorry. I have no desire to write you a book. You can' t even answer a question from me, but you want me to write you a book covering years? Get out of here. If there is some specific question you have, them pose it. I've been very clear about what happened and if you can't see it then you will never see it. Especially you, who makes up the most ridiculous bullshlt to justify what we all know happened. Dempsey ducked Wills. Period. The irony is you're seriously like one of those MAGA cult people that you love to talk shlt about, it's just that you're in the cult of Dempsey where he can literally do no wrong. To the point that people discussing the truth of what happened makes you throw around insults like a 4 year old.

I have never had a problem condescending. So if that's what you want, let's have at it.

Should we revisit your masterpiece thread about how Wills ducked Dempsey, since you are such a wealth of factual knowledge and don't just pull things from your ass due to your cult bias? Do let me know.

[travestyny]

Yes you did bring in the appellate court decision to the forum and that was new info for me. And I learned from it. That was a good thing. At that time we were having good conversations and each debate was enlightening.

That isn't happening anymore.

How about instead of you spit balling what we say why don't you lay out a narrative as to what occured between July 1921 and Kearns signing with Shebly in Janurary 1923.

I want to hear your narrative- you don't even have to PROVE any of it, just your opinion.

It starts in fall '21 end just after New Year 1923.

That was the period New York started to call big time for the Wills match.

Tell me what happened.

P.S. at the time you didn't really know or understand the the court decision either. We flushed that out as a group learning off eachother. You just didn't like the way I interpret the outcome as a legal defeat for Dempsey but and actual economic victory that made the Chicago contract look trivial.

don't just pull up a cherry picker post where I am learning pull up all the threads.

Matter of fact. Here is a pretty damn good synopsis. Let me know what you find fault with.

Its a plain and simple fact that Jack Dempsey actively avoided Wills. Period. You can pretend his motivations were this or that but when he states he'd meet the winner of Fulton-Wills and then signs to fight the ill, comebacking Billy Miske the day after Wills knocks out Fulton and crushes three of his ribs in the process dont tell me he was fighting the best he could. When he then fights Bill Brennan, who had failed to beat Greb or Miske in six consecutive fights the previous year and had faced no threatening competition since then and who also had, not coincidentally, been stopped by Dempsey two years earlier, it was a step back not forward. Does anyone doubt that the six foot two inch 220lb Wills wouldnt have crushed the 168lb overrated Carpentier? After Carpentier was the aforementioned fake contract used to keep Dempsey from being stripped (the first of two times they used that ruse). Then he sits out for two years and faced Tommy Gibbons. Why? There were two eliminations held in 1922 for Dempsey: The first was Harry Wills-Kid Norfolk. Wills knocked Norfolk out in 2 rounds. Norfolk was Brennan's chief sparring partner for Dempsey and the press said he handled Brennan easier than Dempsey (who struggled mightily with Brennan). They advised Dempsey to steer clear of Norfolk. Wills smashed him easily. Like a bug. The other elimination was Greb-Gibbons. Greb dominated Gibbons and beat him easily. The press were unanimous that Greb had exposed Gibbons as poor challenger for Dempsey. So of the top two contenders, one white and one black. Did Dempsey choose either? No. So Tommy Gibbons got his title shot by losing his elimination bout. Sound like a champion looking for the toughest fights? Next Dempsey fought Firpo. Firpo was very vocal about the fact that he didnt think he was ready for Dempsey. That he wanted more time. He stated that Wills should get first shot. Understanding that the opportunity and such a payday may never come again he took the shot. He went life and death with Dempsey dropping him three times, once knocking him out of the ring, before being stopped in the second. Dempsey didnt fight again for three years and never again defended his title successfully. Sorry, but Dempsey wasnt the fearless mankiller he is painted as his legend. He was a media hyped, protected fighter who people built a myth around and realized that the revenue he generated was so great that he had to be kept from people who would threaten that. Sorry but thats not sports. Thats professional wrestling. Go back and look at his run up to the title and see how the various fights that were suspected to be fixed at the time of his in order to build his reputation. Go back and examine his opponents and you will see he wasnt that impressive. He wasnt going anywhere near Wills and Kearns, who had briefly managed Wills years earlier and knew exactly what he was capable of wasnt going to let him either. Had they really been that confident that Dempsey would defeat Wills they would have signed on the dotted line, knocked him out quick and easy like his deluded fans think he would have, and in one fell swoop they would have gained the biggest payday of Dempsey's career by far, put to bed the myth of Wills, and upheld the supposed honor of the white race in the supposed racist America of the day. Nobody would have ever said another word about it. But they knew that beating Wills wasnt a given and they also knew better than you or I that Wills had massive support among both whites and blacks and that racism was just one excuse to pluck from the multitude they constantly came up with for not defending against Dempsey's top challenger.

[Willie Pep 229]

Cry cry cry.

This is the way you obviously wanted it to be. I was clear when I entered this thread that you guys should stop with the insults and just discuss the topic. You kept going. I'm giving you what you wanted with regards to the pettiness.

Sorry. I have no desire to write you a book. You can' t even answer a question from me, but you want me to write you a book covering years? Get out of here. If there is some specific question you have, them pose it. I've been very clear about what happened and if you can't see it then you will never see it. Especially you, who makes up the most ridiculous bullshlt to justify what we all know happened. Dempsey ducked Wills. Period. The irony is you're seriously like one of those MAGA cult people that you love to talk shlt about, it's just that you're in the cult of Dempsey where he can literally do no wrong. To the point that people discussing the truth of what happened makes you throw around insults like a 4 year old.

I have never had a problem condescending. So if that's what you want, let's have at it.

Should we revisit your masterpiece thread about how Wills ducked Dempsey, since you are such a wealth of factual knowledge and don't just pull things from your ass due to your cult bias? Do let me know.

That thread was a joke to bust your balls and you know it. I twisted the entire Montréal story around just to screw with you. Go ahead and pull it up if you like it was an amusing piece

For the record it was the chairman for MSG who first said yes to Montréal and then the same guy said no two days later. I blamed that on Wills. I knew it wasn't his fault but New York's.

I knew 1922 well before I met you. . . But I even said I hadn't study 1926 and was ignorant about it.

Then you brought up the breached contract and that got exciting . . . And what growth came out of it was this guy Floyd Fitzsimmons (whom I didn't know about until then) and he has turned out to be a big piece of the1926 puzzle, for that thank you.

I'll read the Kompton article but for all the effort I have put in trying to share with you what I have figured, why can't you give me one post where you express your what's and why's for 1922?

Didn't this guy Kompton post on the Boxrec board as well?

[Willie Pep 229]

Cry cry cry.

This is the way you obviously wanted it to be. I was clear when I entered this thread that you guys should stop with the insults and just discuss the topic. You kept going. I'm giving you what you wanted with regards to the pettiness.

Sorry. I have no desire to write you a book. You can' t even answer a question from me, but you want me to write you a book covering years? Get out of here. If there is some specific question you have, them pose it. I've been very clear about what happened and if you can't see it then you will never see it. Especially you, who makes up the most ridiculous bullshlt to justify what we all know happened. Dempsey ducked Wills. Period. The irony is you're seriously like one of those MAGA cult people that you love to talk shlt about, it's just that you're in the cult of Dempsey where he can literally do no wrong. To the point that people discussing the truth of what happened makes you throw around insults like a 4 year old.

I have never had a problem condescending. So if that's what you want, let's have at it.

Should we revisit your masterpiece thread about how Wills ducked Dempsey, since you are such a wealth of factual knowledge and don't just pull things from your ass due to your cult bias? Do let me know.

In regards to the cult of Dempsey have you not notice I almost never mention him?

He is useless in trying to figure this out, between color line statements - retraction - statements and then more retraction he has become a useless source to his own history.