Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[GhostofDempsey]

Yea because Kearns Kearns Kearns, Rickard Rickard Rickard, and Fitz FItz Fitz explains why Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey claimed he couldn't get in shape for a fight in Montreal, broke a contract in Chicago, and took a tongue lashing from commissioners in NY rather than fighting the one man he claimed he wanted to fight since he was champion.


Yea, ok

I have statements directly from Dempsey that contradict Willie. He just avoids those.


As for Jack Johnson, when did that happen? You still won't admit that he signed up to fight Jeannette for the title, will ya? The Jim Johnson money grab was just that. The main course was the 35000 for Moran.

We have statements from Johnson that contradict himself and his ducking of Jeannette, McVey and Langford is well documented and proven in his actions. Taking a mere $1,000 for Battling Jim while ducking Jeannette for $20K.

[travestyny]

That post is not in this thread, and it is not in my words. That is a paraphrased portion of a paragraph from a book I posted on Rothstein. Very deceptive of you trying to make to appear as if I had written that.

From that same book:

Wills, while not a great fighter, was decent enough to earn a title fight. Dempsey had certainly fought worse. But more to the point was that certain Tammany politicians owned a significant portion of Mr. Wills.

This is why NY politicians tried to force that fight, they had a piece of Wills and wanted a return on investment. Too bad Wills ducked Tunney for the biggest payday of his life! Lol.

Deceptive. You posted it and I said it was amongst your well researched materials. Is it not?



YES. NY Politicians tried to force the fight. Again, what was the problem?


The problem was Dempsey wanted no part of it. Or like your link said, he avoided Harry Wills

Thanks for your insight.

[travestyny]

We have statements from Johnson that contradict himself and his ducking of Jeannette, McVey and Langford is well documented and proven in his actions. Taking a mere $1,000 for Battling Jim while ducking Jeannette for $20K.

What we have is proof that he signed to fight him and the commission stopped it. But you still won't admit that, will ya? .


I doubt he "took" $1000. He probably got paid a percentage. If only the NY Commish would have let that fight go. Jeannette should be more upset at NY than Johnson to be frank.

[travestyny]

Yo, Wilie. I found another person for you to blame for Dempsey ducking Wills. Now actually, I agree with this. I've said this myself...so you can imagine that when I stumbled upon this clipping, I thought damn.... Do I get this or what?


After John Lester took those ribs...Dempsey decided no more "colored boys." I think this has merit. What do you think?
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[GhostofDempsey]

Deceptive. You posted it and I said it was amongst your well researched materials. Is it not?



YES. NY Politicians tried to force the fight. Again, what was the problem?


The problem was Dempsey wanted no part of it. Or like your link said, he avoided Harry Wills

Thanks for your insight.

You quoted me from an entirely different thread and paraphrased it to appear as if I said that in my own words, that is sketchy to say the least.

Corrupt NY politicians acting in their own interests. Dempsey signed 3 contracts to fight him. First two Wills side dropped the ball. Third time out Dempsey moved on to a bigger and better opponent who Wills ducked for his best payday. He gets worked over by Sharkey and KTFO by Uzcudun, LMAO. Dempsey did him a favor not fighting him.

[GhostofDempsey]

Yo, Wilie. I found another person for you to blame for Dempsey ducking Wills. Now actually, I agree with this. I've said this myself...so you can imagine that when I stumbled upon this clipping, I thought damn.... Do I get this or what?


After John Lester took those ribs...Dempsey decided no more "colored boys." I think this has merit. What do you think?
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Who wrote the article? Any writer credit?

[GhostofDempsey]

What we have is proof that he signed to fight him and the commission stopped it. But you still won't admit that, will ya? .


I doubt he "took" $1000. He probably got paid a percentage. If only the NY Commish would have let that fight go. Jeannette should be more upset at NY than Johnson to be frank.

Nope, what we have is proof Johnson ducked the top three while champion and instead fought a guy Jeannette beat 2x that very same year, and Jack only fought for $1,000, $19k less than Jeannette offered him. Talk about duck!

[travestyny]

You quoted me from an entirely different thread and paraphrased it to appear as if I said that in my own words, that is sketchy to say the least.

Corrupt NY politicians acting in their own interests. Dempsey signed 3 contracts to fight him. First two Wills side dropped the ball. Third time out Dempsey moved on to a bigger and better opponent who Wills ducked for his best payday. He gets worked over by Sharkey and KTFO by Uzcudun, LMAO. Dempsey did him a favor not fighting him.

That's not what I did at all. I said from your researched information. Anyone can click the link and see what it says. That's how the function works! If I wanted to be shady, I would have taken out the code that places the button there.

Wills side never dropped the ball. Dempsey never wanted to fight him period. We all know this. The man broke contracts to get away.

Was Sharkey the guy Dempsey beat with a low blow? Pretty sure it was. That was one of my favorite moments here. Houdini and I actually worked together to find out that the referee actually admit to the low blow.

Got Ko-d 1 also, didn't he? Hmmmm. If you laugh at Wills with his superior resume to Dempsey, then you must REALLY laugh at Dempsey. Tunney handled him pretty well after he made sure there would be no bicycle tape shenanigans.

[travestyny]

Nope, what we have is proof Johnson ducked the top three while champion and instead fought a guy Jeannette beat 2x that very same year, and Jack only fought for $1,000, $19k less than Jeannette offered him. Talk about duck!

We do? I see proof of him fighting them before champion and attempting to fight them after he was champion. Actually, them be verifiable facts.


So hey, it is what it is!


As for Demps...before champ, after champ. nah. Not after those three ribs were cracked. That meant no more dark uns.

[travestyny]

Who wrote the article? Any writer credit?

Who wrote the articles you posted?