Marciano was overrated and not an ATG.

[JAB5239]

look at history
Sloppiano got a standing
eight count against Archie
Moore when it wasnt allowed in
the fight. Moore knocked him down
and Sloppiano got a eight count to
recover when it was not allowed in
the rules of the fight. Moore was
about to ko him. He was allowed to
recover, Sloppiano cheated.


yeah yeah snarfy snarf

First off, you're repeating yourself. Take a breath and slow down. Second, this post is a joke, right?

[Hester65]

look at history
Sloppiano got a standing
eight count against Archie
Moore when it wasnt allowed in
the fight. Moore knocked him down
and Sloppiano got a eight count to
recover when it was not allowed in
the rules of the fight. Moore was
about to ko him. He was allowed to
recover, Sloppiano cheated.


yeah yeah snarfy snarf

How is it Rocky's fault the ref gave the eight count? The ref only made it to 4, too. How's was he about to KO Rocky when Rocky got up in 2 seconds and wasn't wobbly? Neither of us could accurately know what would have happened had the ref not counted the extra 2 seconds. So, why is your "opinion" any more right than mine?

[JAB5239]

How is it Rocky's fault the ref gave the eight count? The ref only made it to 4, too. How's was he about to KO Rocky when Rocky got up in 2 seconds and wasn't wobbly? Neither of us could accurately know what would have happened had the ref not counted the extra 2 seconds. So, why is your "opinion" any more right than mine?

Don't even bother my man. I checked out some of his other posts. He's here to flame, thats it. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

[Benny Leonard]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;4283628]

My bad. I thought you were insinuating that his colored comp was better overall. Some of them very well may have been. But the were even better better after Johnson won the title and were still refused their shot. I think you and I are on the same page, I just misinterpeted the last post I responded to.

Ah, no problem. No, it was strictly pre and post. My point was strictly against the "White" Heavyweight title being the worse of the titles. When Johnson was the Black Heavyweight Champ, he had no choice but to fight all fighters. He fought White, Black, good, bad; it didn't matter; as long as the paycheck was coming in. You couldn't avoid fights because you needed the money. The White Title held more of a privilege. With the White Title, it seems you could even avoid White Fighters...like Joe Choynski. And I'm sure there were probably many others; fighters we don't know about.

I don't think either of these Men, Jeffries, Dempsey, and Johnson were against fighting black fighters when they held the White Title, but all fell into the pressures that be to avoid certain fighters when they gained the White Title. Jeffries and Dempsey allowed their Managers/people around them to dictate who they fought, while Johnson, and maybe I'm wrong, was his own Manager and straight out avoided fighters he could have easily fought without much protest from others. I do think there may have been some protest had he fought another black fighter since it is one more fight a black fighter holds the White title. So there may have been some pressure for him to continue to fight White fighters in hope he would lose. Either way, it's all unfair to those fighters that deserve their shot.

White, Black, Tall, short, Heavy, light...it didn't matter; you fought for food money and you were tough. There were great fighters all around.

[Benny Leonard]

How is it Rocky's fault the ref gave the eight count? The ref only made it to 4, too. How's was he about to KO Rocky when Rocky got up in 2 seconds and wasn't wobbly? Neither of us could accurately know what would have happened had the ref not counted the extra 2 seconds. So, why is your "opinion" any more right than mine?

The ref simpliy checked him to see if he was OK to go on; that's the ref's job.
He did look hurt, but he hung on.

[JulioCesaChavez]

Ezzard Charles was a washed up light heavyweight and Walcott was a relatively slow old man. If people are going to rate Marciano they have to compare him to other HEAVYWEIGHTS and justify it according to how he would fare against them. bottomline is Marciano is as overrated as it gets because he could hardly deal with the old men. don't know why people like th eugly deformed big nosed ****. it's not as if his clubfighter style is entertaining either.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ezzard Charles was a washed up light heavyweight and Walcott was a relatively slow old man. If people are going to rate Marciano they have to compare him to other HEAVYWEIGHTS and justify it according to how he would fare against them. bottomline is Marciano is as overrated as it gets because he could hardly deal with the old men.

Ezzard Charles was past prime but far from washed up. He had also been fighting at Heavyweight for several years and couldn't be considered a Light-Heavyweight anymore.

don't know why people like th eugly deformed big nosed ****. it's not as if his clubfighter style is entertaining either.

I don't know why I waste my time with 24 karat ignoramises like you Rafael Benitez. You are so far below my intellect you might as well be a worm. You keep getting banned, you keep coming back like the pathetic phuck you are under these endless stream of alts; and yet here I am again wasting my time refuting your moronic statements. Why don't you do Boxing Scene a favor and just go die or something? Preferably in a great deal of pain.

Poet

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

The ref simpliy checked him to see if he was OK to go on; that's the ref's job.
He did look hurt, but he hung on.

A eight count was
not allowed in that fight.
It had those rules. Yet
Marciano got an 8 count and was
alowed to recover. He cheated prolly
had the ref on the payroll.


yeah yeah snarfy snarf

[Kid McCoy]

A eight count was
not allowed in that fight.
It had those rules. Yet
Marciano got an 8 count and was
alowed to recover. He cheated prolly
had the ref on the payroll.


yeah yeah snarfy snarf

You're talking as if he was the only boxer in history to benefit from a refereeing mistake. He got knocked down, he got up, the ref wiped his gloves and they carried on boxing. At no point did he look ready to be KO'd.

[logan58]

Marciano

Who are you calling ugly? Marciano certainly looked better than crazy Ali.

He was a better fighter, too. Check the records: Ali had 61 fights with 5 losses, 12 KOs, and 26 TKOs whereas Marciano had 49 fights with 43 KOs and no losses. Ali had too many TKOs; Marciano had none because he was powerful enough to finish his opponent, not dance with him. He also had some manners, unlike the bigmouthed Ali, who was more mouth than fight. He, not Marciano, is the most overrated fighter in history and the most obnoxiously behaved.

Ezzard Charles was a washed up light heavyweight and Walcott was a relatively slow old man. If people are going to rate Marciano they have to compare him to other HEAVYWEIGHTS and justify it according to how he would fare against them. bottomline is Marciano is as overrated as it gets because he could hardly deal with the old men. don't know why people like th eugly deformed big nosed ****. it's not as if his clubfighter style is entertaining either.