My Top 10 All Time P4p.

[JAB5239]

Robinson
Greb
Langford
Armstrong
Pep
Charles
Duran
Ray Leonard
Walker
Jofre

[1SILVA]

1.HARRY GREB the greatest, see my other thread on him

2.MICKEY WALKER WW and MW champ,who almost won the HW and LHW belt too.

3.BOB FITZSIMMONS middleweight,lightheavy andd heavyweight world champion

4.RAY ROBINSON WW and MW champ,has to be in anyones top 5

5.HENRY ARMSTRONG the first man to hold 3 or more titles simultaneously

6.ROBERTO DURAN one of my favourite fighters,raw instinct and the best lightweight ever

7.SAM LANGFORD deserves more recognition,fought from lightweight to heavyweight

8.JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ 6 world titles in three weights

9.ROCKY MARCIANO i hesitate to put a heavyweight in the list but if it had to be any then its marciano, simply for the fact he was a small heavyweight with one of the hardest punchers ever

10.OSCAR DELAHOYA i had to include one modern day fighter to balance it up,

it was a toss up between him and jones but jones didnt impress me at lightheavy(tarver and johnson) and the heavyweight roids thing was laughable but at MW and SMW he was great,

oscar a 6 weight world champ and fairly consistent in them all,,except middleweight,but he gave a good showing against a taller, heavier and much stronger guy(hopkins)it was a good competitive fight untill the KO

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HONOURABLE MENTIONS:jimmy wilde,joe gans,joe louis,ali,willie pep

please dont confuse the greatest fighters ever with the greatest p4p fighters ever,there is a marked difference!

Ali
Robinson
Armstrong
Greb
Duran
Hagler
Louis
Leonard
Pryor
Mayweather

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Jones Jr
Mayweather
Pacquaio
Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Thomas Hearns
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield


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[them_apples]

this is an old ass thread

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Duran
4. Pacquiao
5. SRL
6. Mayweather jr
7. Jones jr.
8. Hearns
9. Greb
10. Holyfield (seeing he was a cruiser..)

tried to put a good mix in there, based on quality of opponents and how many weight classes jumped etc..

I hope some people start putting Pacquiao up there, he has done more than a lot of the guys on peoples lists p4p wise (he started at flyweight), history shouldn't have to wait.

[Panamaniac]

Okay. Before I post this let me say that I do have bias here: I have a bias against putting Heavyweights on p4p lists.

Your bias against including the heavies is duely noted. However, it would be interesting to hear your argument to support a posture that excludes the likes of Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson - legendary figures all - from P4P lists.

[NakiFan]

Any list that has marciano is bs, because the following heavies were all better.

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammed Ali
3. Lennox Lewis
4. George Foreman
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Mike Tyson
7. Vitali Klitschko

[BennyST]

5.HENRY ARMSTRONG the first man to hold 3 or more titles simultaneously

Actually, he wasn't the first man to hold three titles simultaneously. I don't know where that myth came from but it is not true. Barney Ross was the first ever to do it but for some reason never gets the mention of being the first.

Nonetheless, Armstrong was truly great as well.

[BennyST]

You can say this about anyone,,Leonard didnt face cuevax, palimino...etc..Duran didnt face Pryor, Sanchez, etc... Hagler didnt face quawi ( he never challenged himself and moved up).

Huh? Neither Pryor or Sanchez were in or around the divisions that Duran was in when they were at their peak and famous or just good enough to fight him. Pryor wasn't a well known fighter until sometime round 1982 or something at which point Duran was already well above WW, let alone 140 pounds, which Pryor only went to in his last fight which he lost, and Sanchez was a damn FW in 1980 when he first won a FW title. Duran was at WW fighting Ray Leonard by then. Apart from those guys, which is just plain wrong anyway, there really isn't anyone he ducked.

He fought Buchanan who had beaten the great Ismael Laguna twice, he fought De Jesus who was the other big champ at the time and he had destroyed Ishimatsu who then knocked out Rodolfo Gonzalez, the other main champ at LW. He took care of all business.

[JAB5239]

I curious as to how some of you guys have Jones and Mayweather in your top 10? Talentwise....they're hard to argue. Based on accomplishments and resume....not so much. In my opinion their win/loss resumes just don't stack up to many fighters throughout history.

[them_apples]

I curious as to how some of you guys have Jones and Mayweather in your top 10? Talentwise....they're hard to argue. Based on accomplishments and resume....not so much. In my opinion their win/loss resumes just don't stack up to many fighters throughout history.

I don't know, Jones has Toney and Hopkins on his resume, and a heavyweight belt. Not too shabby. Hopkins is probably in the top 3 of the greatest middle weights, and he beat him near his prime. Toney was a great fighter who had tons of skill, so much skill he's still beating todays heavyweights with a smw frame and 50 lbs of extra fat. If you look at the scenario when he beat him - it looks even more impressive. Jumping a weight class and taking on the top dog and dominating.

Mayweather is a little overrated but he jumped so many weight classes and still won convincingly.

You can't base everything on how many fights the guy had, that doesn't determine skill so much.

I forgot to put Jofre on my list (just looked at yours)