Mike Tyson vs Rocky Marciano

[QuCongee]

So I guess a 250 pound David Tua SMOKES Tyson in like 90 seconds, RIGHT?

If you can't see the difference I don't know what to tell you.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

So I guess a 250 pound David Tua SMOKES Tyson in like 90 seconds, RIGHT?

Tua had more body fat than Tyson, that's why he weighed more.

[Jim Jeffries]

Tua had more body fat than Tyson, that's why he weighed more.

Okay, then a 320 pound Valuev OBLITERATES Tyson. Point is weight doesn't mean that much.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Well you're saying Tyson wasn't at his best. Which is true, if you look at the way he was against Spinks, Berbick, Thomas etc. However, you can't compare him to other swarmers because up until the Douglas fight he had never been a truly grueling fight that most fighters of his type have to endure. That is builds up the wear and tear on a fighter.

You bring up trainers, well for the record Aaron Snowell (the Don King stooge) sucks. He had no clue how to handle Tyson. Tyson would come inside and leave huge openings for his opponent. His chin was exposed. Very careless instruction from his corner.

For the record, I agree that losing Rooney was a huge blow (one I think Tyson regretted after the fact) and that played a major part in his downfall because Rooney was well versed in the teachings and training style of Cus. Snowell would be lucky to train a dog to sit from the way it looks. Again our only major conflict on this is the definition of 'prime'.




To being a 'warrior' is akin to saying someone has 'heart'. As for the Douglas/Holyfield bouts. Tyson wasn't anywhere near the same in the Douglas fight however he did have moments in the early goings but just slowly dwindled into a one shot head hunter.

Holyfield fight the same deal. He started decently but once Evander got in his face he wilted mentally. When someone isn't intimidated Mike loses his disposition. That is mental toughness. Totally different 'heart' 'warrior' 'heart of a warrior' - whatever lol

Marciano was never in a war with another brawler with a lot of power was he? I don't know his career as well as you guys, but what I do know is guys like Moore and Walcot were no Tysons. I know you have to see proof Hawkins but just because guys like Tyson and Jones were not ever tested in their primes doesn't mean we should dismiss them for it. I think most greats were never really tested anyway besides Ali. When was Johnson, Marciano, Dempsey, and Louis really tested. None of them had ever fought anyone the caliber of Tyson, but they were great? Tell me! Tell me now!!!!

[Jim Jeffries]

If you can't see the difference I don't know what to tell you.

Holyfield was 208 when he KOd a 246 lb Buster Douglas that had KOd Tyson IN HIS PRIME 8 months earlier. Weight doesn't mean that much.

[Jim Jeffries]

Marciano was never in a war with another brawler with a lot of power was he? I don't know his career as well as you guys, but what I do know is guys like Moore and Walcot were no Tysons. I know you have to see proof Hawkins but just because guys like Tyson and Jones were not ever tested in their primes doesn't mean we should dismiss them for it. I think most greats were never really tested anyway besides Ali. When was Johnson, Marciano, Dempsey, and Louis really tested. None of them had ever fought anyone the caliber of Tyson, but they were great? Tell me! Tell me now!!!!

Tyson was tested IN HIS PRIME by the greatest bum of all time BUSTER DOUGLAS and was KNOCKED THE %$#& OUT ! ! !

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Okay, then a 320 pound Valuev OBLITERATES Tyson. Point is weight doesn't mean that much.

That's a ridiculous comparison and point. You use it all the time because no one here knows how to argue against it but it's simple. When you talk about punching power, there's just as much skill involved in generating that power. That guy doesn't only not have the skill to deliver that type of punch, but he doesn't have the speed and power to. When you compare great punchers like Marciano and Tyson that both have great skill and the type of speed required, size does matter. We're not talking about only ten pounds here. We're talking like 30 pounds right?

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Tyson was tested IN HIS PRIME by the greatest bum of all time BUSTER DOUGLAS and was KNOCKED THE %$#& OUT ! ! !

LOL Nice try.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Holyfield was 208 when he KOd a 246 lb Buster Douglas that had KOd Tyson IN HIS PRIME 8 months earlier. Weight doesn't mean that much.

You seriously have no clue.LOL

[Jim Jeffries]

That's a ridiculous comparison and point. You use it all the time because no one here knows how to argue against it but it's simple. When you talk about punching power, there's just as much skill involved in generating that power. That guy doesn't only not have the skill to deliver that type of punch, but he doesn't have the speed and power to. When you compare great punchers like Marciano and Tyson that both have great skill and the type of speed required, size does matter. We're not talking about only ten pounds here. We're talking like 30 pounds right?

So I guess Bruce Lee couldn't have generated much power right? I mean he was ONLY 145 pounds.