Leonard-Duran I (1980)

[The plunger man]

You are arguing that Leonard can't be held responsible for ducking Duran (when Duran became relevant again in 1983) because Leonard was 'retired.'

But Leonard wasn't retired Leonard would fight again and if by your own admission Duran was relevant again by 1983 then there was a rubber match waiting to happen. Why didn't it happen then?

"retirement" doesn't count just because you say it, it only counts when you actually retire, (see Bret Favre vs. Reality) until then it's not an excuse for dodging a fight, not when you will in fact fight again.

how did Leonard duck Duran when he made him quit and go in exile after the November rematch...Duran had already lost to hagler in 1983 , Benitez and Laing in 1982
Leonard did retire so what the hell are you talking about and he retired in first in 1982 in may.
If Duran had beaten Benitez and hagler then no doubt Leonard would have took the rubber match but he lost and he also lost to Kirkland Laing and Benitez so your argument has no standing.
So having one fight in 5 years you don’t class that as a retirement.
Duran had lost 5 times by the time leonard faced hagler in April 1987 so tell me how did Leonard avoid Duran ...know your history pep.
Ali retired and came back
Robinson retired and came back
Holmes retired and came back
Louis retired and came back but to you they didn’t retire.
Revisionist history once again without knowing the losses and timelines rears its head again

[thebrownbomber_]

How did Leonard Duck Duran by fighting him twice? He fought the best version of Duran in 1980.

[QueensburyRules]

How did Leonard Duck Duran by fighting him twice? He fought the best version of Duran in 1980.

- -We never saw the best version of Duran because Ray too a'skeered to fight the immediate rubber when Duran could still make 147.

[The plunger man]

nah Hearns wouldnt heave beat Duran that night. Hearns koed Duran years later at 154. Duran was partied out and overconfident after being the only guy to go the distance with Hagler and in his mind beat him. Duran barely trained for Hearns who had a stoppage loss to SRL. Duran straight up underestimated him.

Duran in 1980 was an entirely different animal.

hearns would always have beaten Duran ...to much power and natural physical advantage over him....hearns style would always have been a nightmare for him....Duran was also beaten comfortably by Benitez in 1982 so that blows your theory out the water

[Boxxymcboxface]

Yeah it was a close fight in terms of the scoring, but Duran won that night. He showed that he was truely an atg that night

[QueensburyRules]

- -Epic fight...

[them_apples]

Duran had the perfect night, Leonard was already a bit shook as is, and before he could get his confidence Duran had already wacked him and taken his legs out. By round 5 Leonard realizes he's in a fight and tries fighting back, but it's Duran fight at that point and it was too late. You can see moments where Leonard get's his respect - Duran used a lot of experience to win that fight.

He also used those early moments in the fight to really go hard downstairs to prevent SRL from deciding to box. He really ****ed him up when it came to effective punching.

I gotta give it to Leonard though, he was in some really serious fights. Some of the greatest high level fights in the history of the sport - you could feel it through the screen.

[them_apples]

hearns would always have beaten Duran ...to much power and natural physical advantage over him....hearns style would always have been a nightmare for him....Duran was also beaten comfortably by Benitez in 1982 so that blows your theory out the water

no it doesn't, the same ****ty Duran showed up for Benitez too. And Benitez fights completely different than Hearns. It's not like Hearns had an easy time with Benitez either.

Hearns clearly still has a chance to get rid of Duran, I'm just saying the Duran he fought didn't even train and was overconfident after nearly beating Hagler who was being advertised as a killing machine at that point.

When Duran hit the canvas from Hearns he said he started laughing because he was thinking about 2 lesbians he met in a night club that he almost took home but they started fighting eachother lol.

[The plunger man]

no it doesn't, the same ****ty Duran showed up for Benitez too. And Benitez fights completely different than Hearns. It's not like Hearns had an easy time with Benitez either.

Hearns clearly still has a chance to get rid of Duran, I'm just saying the Duran he fought didn't even train and was overconfident after nearly beating Hagler who was being advertised as a killing machine at that point.

When Duran hit the canvas from Hearns he said he started laughing because he was thinking about 2 lesbians he met in a night club that he almost took home but they started fighting eachother lol.

consistently Duran struggled with movers and quick fighters...stop playing the showed up ****ty card.
Records showed showed he lost consistently to slick fighters with good movement and fast hands...hearns was just to long , to tall and to sharp and Duran would struggle to get inside.
Duran is the only fighter I know that gets so many passes for not training on this section.
Benitez would have given nightmares to Duran at any time when ever they boxed

[The plunger man]

no it doesn't, the same ****ty Duran showed up for Benitez too. And Benitez fights completely different than Hearns. It's not like Hearns had an easy time with Benitez either.

Hearns clearly still has a chance to get rid of Duran, I'm just saying the Duran he fought didn't even train and was overconfident after nearly beating Hagler who was being advertised as a killing machine at that point.

When Duran hit the canvas from Hearns he said he started laughing because he was thinking about 2 lesbians he met in a night club that he almost took home but they started fighting eachother lol.

we can all make up excuses , with Duran when he quit against Leonard , he had stomach cramps , he gorged on steak , he never trained etc etc and ray arcel actually stated Duran was in prime shape and he he said Duran never complained one time during the no mas fight with stomach cramps.
Duran didn’t nearly beat hagler if you watch the fight and score it properly and why on Earth would Duran be confident he could beat hearns when hearns was equally as good as Duran and had beaten Benitez and knocked out Cuevas more convincingly.