Ray Leonard overrated

[Frazier's 15th round]

Okay, ***s. I just rewatched Duran-Leonard 1. I thought Duran won about 10 or 11 rounds. Duran has to be rated higher than Leonard p4p.

As far as Duran fighting until he was a "fat, slow bum", Duran simply loved the sport. He loved to fight. Unlike Leonard who was so picky and had to have everything his way.

[Frazier's 15th round]

If you think of it, Leonard's career is similar to Ali's. Hearns was Ray's Sonny Liston, a huge test of which Leonard passed with flying colors.

With flying colors? Hearns won ten of fourteen rounds in the first fight and won the rematch.

Duran was Leonard's Frazier, who engaged him in a great three-fight rivalry.

Frazier and Ali only had two great fights, Duran and Leonard had one.

Finally Marvin Hagler was Leonard's Foreman, a seemingly invincible fighter when Leonard was past his prime and Leonard defied the odds and did the impossible.

This is a somewhat decent comparison, although Hagler was way past it and more ringworn.

Now that I think about it, Leonard could arguably be the number one welterweight of all-time. Hearns, Hagler, and Duran wee better than anybody Ray Robinson ever faced. I have Leonard as the #2 welterweight under Robby, and #8 pound for pound.

Robinson is miles ahead of Leonard. I think you've been listening to that ***** Achillesthegreat on East Side Boxing too much, Butterfly.

[wmute]

Oh I read allright! Just because you said it doesn't make it correct. Indeed, since you are clearly a ******ed moron It's safe to disregard any statement you utter. I told you what the situation with the number of rounds was, but, since you have such a limited intellect it's clear you didn't comprehend.

Either you cannot read or you dont know **** about boxing, it seems both. In the mid 80s both 12 rounders and 15 rounders were going on. It's a fact. Your childish insults won't change that

Wrong! It doesn't matter one damn bit that Hearns was leading on the cards. He got KTFO. Just like he did against Hagler. Sorry, no rematch little man. That's the salient point you keep ignoring like the little nimrod you are. Your hatred of Leonard has clearly left you unhinged and tainted what little intellect you possess. As I said before, your posts are such that they had to come from someone who A: Is a Hearns nuthugger, or B: Is a Leonard hater. You have rejected option A which leaves us with B. I noticed you didn't deny being a Leonard hater in your last post. Are you taking the fifth on that one? Shocker! You try to cover up your shameless ignorance with bluster, but guess what? It doesn't fly! I've been around the block far to many times to buy into your moronic bull****. So, when the intellect fairy finally waves her magic wand over your empty cranium we can talk. Untill then, get a life you spastic dip****.

Poet

Good Luck trying to convince anyone that Hearns KO loss to Leonard is the same as his KO loss to Hagler. Who do tou think will buy that bull****?

I am not a Leonard hater, I merely point out facts on why I dont place Leonard alongside Robinson or Duran.

YOU on the other hands get all emotional about Leonard and your ovaries start screaming illogical arguments in his defense.

Considering you cannot even read what i type and you answer single part of a post at your choice, you should consider not wasting ppl time heere and go on Non Stop Boxing, where the general level of posting is closer to your IQ. Maybe you can have a feud with a few Mayweather fanboys there. You guys would be perfect for each other... ignorant, blind, screaming like little bitches when put in front of facts. (I dont think you could get a life even if you wanted).

[SonnyG8R]

Frazier's 15th ain't to bright.

Ignorant, nuthugger and hater all apply to him.

Cong****...

[BmoreBrawler]

Mayweather, Bowe, SR Leonard, theyre all in the same mold. Underachievers.

SR Leonard's career was tragicallly short, however, at least he had the balls to mess with the best and I love him for that.

[StarshipTrooper]

Well, wmute is now on my ignore list for being a willfully ignorant nimrod who wouldn't know a fact if it slapped him between the eyes. He obviously has a grossly overrated sense of his own intellect and infallibilty. He emotionally pursues a vendetta against Leonard, for reasons only he knows (maybe Leonard ****** his mother or something). In anycase he's not the sort of person you can have a reasoned debate with, if for no other reason then he can't go two sentences without calling someone ******. He will NEVER accept the validity of any argument contravening his own opinions. Judging by the list of names he proudly displays of his own ignore list. It's clear he believes the intellect of others are so far beneath his own they may as well be worms.

Since this little garden party has clearly gotten of hand I think it best to terminate things here and now. It's no longer appropriate for one of the boxing forums: It now belongs in the Thunderdome, where, I might add, wmute clearly belongs. He can argue all day long there without his accute lack of boxing knowledge being an impediment.

Poet

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On Ignore For Being A Nimrod:

Brass*******
LondonRingReeks

and our newest member.....

wmoron

[wmute]

Well, wmute is now on my ignore list for being a willfully ignorant nimrod who wouldn't know a fact if it slapped him between the eyes. He obviously has a grossly overrated sense of his own intellect and infallibilty. He emotionally pursues a vendetta against Leonard, for reasons only he knows (maybe Leonard ****** his mother or something). In anycase he's not the sort of person you can have a reasoned debate with, if for no other reason then he can't go two sentences without calling someone ******. He will NEVER accept the validity of any argument contravening his own opinions. Judging by the list of names he proudly displays of his own ignore list. It's clear he believes the intellect of others are so far beneath his own they may as well be worms.

Since this little garden party has clearly gotten of hand I think it best to terminate things here and now. It's no longer appropriate for one of the boxing forums: It now belongs in the Thunderdome, where, I might add, wmute clearly belongs. He can argue all day long there without his accute lack of boxing knowledge being an impediment.

Poet

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On Ignore For Being A Nimrod:

Brass*******
LondonRingReeks

and our newest member.....

wmoron

Everyone read the argument.

Everyone read you making a clown out of yourself stating that Hearns did not deserve a rematch, because he got KTFOed, just like against Hagler, just like Duran against Hearns.

Everyone read me repeating the same correct fact three times, and everyone could easily conclude by your answers that you:

1) cannot read
and/or
2) dont know facts

Everyone could also read you calling me a hater, because I consider Leonard closer to Jones Jr., Mayweather, or Whitaker than to Robinson, Armstrong or Duran.

You are a clown, but I am not going to put you on ignore, I will rather continue on occasionally dismantle your bull**** followed by your ridiculous pretentious signature, so that everyone can see how full of it you are.

I dont konw what the hell the Thunderdome (except the thing in the Mad Max movie), is it where menopause people like you go?

[Krucial]

No one thinks Leonard is better than Duran.

Of course Leonard is overrated, he was the media-darling cross-over star who everyone liked.

He never rematched Hearns, Duran, Hagler (not in their primes anyways). And he beat them all under very specific circumstances.

He is still a great, though

leonard is way better than duran
look at the movement,quickness,speed,combos and look at durans bully fighting
if they fought 10 fights,leonard would win 9 of em
no controversy
only controversy bout their rematch was that duran quit like a ***
he was gettin made ******
leonard clowned em cuz he fought like hisself
and he beat em in both they primes
now hagler leonard was close
but i felt sugar edged it
he stole it by landing combinations to haglers 1 or 2 punches
he knows how to win
like larry merchant said 'he'd dig down n do anything to win'

If you think of it, Leonard's career is similar to Ali's. Hearns was Ray's Sonny Liston, a huge test of which Leonard passed with flying colors.

did Ali get his ass wooped for 12-13 rounds and then stop em?
no
ali controlled liston until liston blinded em,but then liston got stopped
n i dont recall liston winning the rematch like hearns did(hearns got ****ed like whitaker did against chavez,not the same deal tho)

[ForemanCrossArm]

He was a great fighter but just watch "5 Reasons Why You Can't Blame Marvin Hagler [for not beating him].." on ESPN Classic and you'll see why he shouldn't even be ranked above Hearns on the list of welter-middle guys.. He basically got everything tilted to his favor, and this goes throughout his whole career. He got Duran to just quit, he got Hagler to sign a one-sided contract, he got a pretty bad (pretty damn bad) points-win against Hearns in their re-match (even after Hearns floored his ass).

Great fighter, but the "sugar" hype that surrounded him gave him some unfair advantages..

Basically the same as ODLH, almost identical.

[StarshipTrooper]

Amazing isn't it? Slap that "Golden Boy" lable on a fighter and the hate just comes pouring down on him. Leonard, De La Hoya, ect. Both "Golden Boys", both hated profoundly; with people like ForemanCrossArm lusting after their downfall. One would think they would have lives to pour their energies into rather than pointless hate but I guess not. The term "get a life" comes to mind.

Poet