Who was the worst Heavyweight Champion ever?

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Genryu;4241370]

Jake actually had to LOSE a fight to get a chance at the belt.
I see that as respect 'cause there was no other way in his time as a fighter like him

I understand this. But If I am understanding Chief right (please correct me if Im wrong Chief), a fighters whole career needs to come into question. Shouldn't matter if he won or lost, it shows he is willing to cheat. I don't agree with this, but I think I see the logic if that is in fact what he is saying. I certainly don't agree with it with Carnera, who to my knowledge was kept in the dark and carried to the title by shady management. That doesn't change the fact he won it legit and had the heart of a champion, if not the talent. There are many fighters who have had all the talent, yet none of the heart. I appreciate talent, but I'll always respect heart more. Jmo.

[Smokin'J]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;4241463]

I understand this. But If I am understanding Chief right (please correct me if Im wrong Chief), a fighters whole career needs to come into question. Shouldn't matter if he won or lost, it shows he is willing to cheat. I don't agree with this, but I think I see the logic if that is in fact what he is saying. I certainly don't agree with it with Carnera, who to my knowledge was kept in the dark and carried to the title by shady management. That doesn't change the fact he won it legit and had the heart of a champion, if not the talent. There are many fighters who have had all the talent, yet none of the heart. I appreciate talent, but I'll always respect heart more. Jmo.

Mah' bad.
I'm a Jake LaMotta nuthugger you see.
But likewise its true talent > all but heart always > talent > all.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Genryu;4241518]

Mah' bad.
I'm a Jake LaMotta nuthugger you see.
But likewise its true talent > all but heart always > talent > all.

Did you read "Raging Bull"? Im sure you saw the movie.

[Smokin'J]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;4241562]

Did you read "Raging Bull"? Im sure you saw the movie.

Actually I was gonna get that book tommorow while getting some of Ali's too but I saw the movie actually on accident why? 'Cause I like LaMotta?
I like him 'cause it already says his nick ''raging bull'',
I like him 'cause of his style
and did you watch uh, some links I put down here?
Where the court asks him some **** about connecting to the mob? If you want I'll post some links on your profile.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Genryu;4241645]

Actually I was gonna get that book tommorow while getting some of Ali's too but I saw the movie actually on accident why? 'Cause I like LaMotta?
I like him 'cause it already says his nick ''raging bull'',
I like him 'cause of his style
and did you watch uh, some links I put down here?
Where the court asks him some **** about connecting to the mob? If you want I'll post some links on your profile.

I was just curious. I read the book a few months agao after seeing the movie like 50 times. I never thought the movie depicted him very accurately when it came to the way he fought. LaMotta gets a lot of praise, but his boxing skills are still underrated because of the movie. Here is a link where you can buy the book real cheap and in decent condition.

http://www.amazon.com/25-Must-Have-Boxing-Books/lm/3PEB0C5J64259

[Smokin'J]

I was just curious. I read the book a few months agao after seeing the movie like 50 times. I never thought the movie depicted him very accurately when it came to the way he fought. LaMotta gets a lot of praise, but his boxing skills are still underrated because of the movie. Here is a link where you can buy the book real cheap and in decent condition.

http://www.amazon.com/25-Must-Have-B.../3PEB0C5J64259

Ah, I see.
Thank ye kindly.

[Smokin'J]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;4241702]

I was just curious. I read the book a few months agao after seeing the movie like 50 times. I never thought the movie depicted him very accurately when it came to the way he fought. LaMotta gets a lot of praise, but his boxing skills are still underrated because of the movie. Here is a link where you can buy the book real cheap and in decent condition.

http://www.amazon.com/25-Must-Have-B.../3PEB0C5J64259

Hahaha I still watch it when nothing else is on actually LaMotta made me want to box since I can relate much to his life and what made me really want it was when can't remember which fight it was with SRR but where he gets a triple combo clean on the face and all the effects were he 'backed' up a little for a milisecond and continued on with coming onto SRR, no dazing effect, or the 'get together' effect he went straight again forward.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Genryu;4241764]

Hahaha I still watch it when nothing else is on actually LaMotta made me want to box since I can relate much to his life and what made me really want it was when can't remember which fight it was with SRR but where he gets a triple combo clean on the face and all the effects were he 'backed' up a little for a milisecond and continued on with coming onto SRR, no dazing effect, or the 'get together' effect he went straight again forward.

I credit "Rocky" and Vinny Pazienza as inspirations to why I boxed. But I also relate to LaMotta as well as others.

[mcentepede]

I have to agree with you guys. Primo Carnera seemed to have zero skills compared to others of his era. This is the deciding vote. Leon Spinks was a pretty good fighter, but money and broads cost him, also he was virtually ******. He was an Olympic Champion and beat some Cubans for that honor. Carnera was big and intimidating, but lacked fundamental skills that every heavyweight champ should have. Even Valuev had more skills than this guy.

[black.ink]

Valuev had nothing on Carnera. He may have had one of the weakest skill-sets of any HW champ, but he had the most heart. Did you not see the Baer fight? Or when he beat Sharkey for the title legitimately? Seeing Valuev in the ring, makes me sad for Boxing. He is a freakshow. Any man of that size can put gloves on and swing his arms. Valuev's era is a poor era in contrast to Carnera's. The likes of Sharkey could destroy most HW's today (if his head was right).